Elizabeth FIDLER

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Name Elizabeth FIDLER  [744], F
Birth 4 Dec 1775, St John's Parish, Westminster, London, England, UK [394], [395]
Baptism 25 Dec 1775, St John the Evangelist, Westminster, Smith Square, London, England, UK [396], [395] Age: <1
Baptism Memo Page ??? - 1775: December 4 Elizabeth D: of Jonathon Fidler by Mary his wife. Baptised: December 25
Death 1835 Age: 59
Burial 13 Apr 1835, Hobart, TAS, AUS [745]
Burial Memo Abode Hobart Town, Occupation Housekeeper
Occupation Housekeeper
Father Jonathon FIDLER, M (ca1745-1819)
Mother Mary, F
Misc. Notes
Arrived Hobart 1804 on board the Ocean as free settler ('Musters of Free Men & Women, HobartTown 1822' = MFMW). [719]
There is a problem with the husband and wife's names. On the children's baptismal certificates the parents are listed as Joseph Paterson and Elizabeth Roberts. However, in the HRA there are a series of letters by a William Paterson re a dispute over land in Hobart Town. One of these letters lists the names and birthdates of the children - and the information in this list is TOO close to the baptismal records for the children not to be the same ones. Also in these letters, the only mention of the mother's name is 'Elisabeth'...which fits with the baptism records. (all the William information has been provided by Bill Mirams). Also, the letters in the HRA indicate that there was one child, Frederick Jonathon David, and not two separate children, Frederick and Jonathon David (as indicated by the baptism records).

Elizabeth seems to have written to the Government, as there is an 1821 listing on the State Records NSW website for a Mrs. Patterson. [746]
Spouses
1 William ?Joseph? PATERSON Sr  [747], M
Birth abt 1751, UK?
Death 26 Oct 1825, Hobart, TAS, AUS [748], [749] Age: 74
Death Memo Letters re:- Administration of Effects: PATERSON, William, settler, lt., Hobart Town - Elizabeth, Wd., and chn., William, Joseph, Frederick, Charles Ross & his wf. Sarah, George, John, Edward, & Eliza Patterson.
Burial 3 Nov 1825, Hobart, TAS, AUS [749]
Burial Memo Age 74, Free settler
Occupation Superintendent In Charge Of Stores And The Beach (And Convicts?) At �50 Per Annum; Suspended 14 Feb 1807 For Neglect Of Duty And Misconduct; Appointed Wharfinger 24 Sep 1810; Received �25 Per Annum As At 1819 As Superand. Wharfinger [750], [751], [752], [753], [754], [755], [756], [757]
Misc. Notes
On 24 April 1803 the family sailed from Spithead (off Portsmouth Harbour, England) on board the ship 'Ocean'. [758] Arrived Port Phillip 7 Oct 1803, landed on 16 Oct 1803 after the ship 'Calcutta' had arrived (on the 9th Oct). Left Port Phillip 19 May 1804 (after Collins, who left Jan 1804). Arrived Hobart 24 June 1804 on board the Ocean as free settler ('Musters of Free Men & Women, HobartTown 1822' = MFMW seems to incorrectly list their arrival on the ship Calcutta). Listed in MFMW as having 3 male, 1 female children. Listed in MFMW as "On" victualling. [719], [759]
Data for the PATERSON family from the Victualling lists written up by Leonard FOSBROOK at Hobart Town on 1 Jan 1805: [760]
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Time Commenced Names Quality
Victualling
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Persons victualled at full allowance:
1803 October 17 Wm. Patterson Superintendent
1803 October 17 Saml. Gunn Prisoner

Persons victualled at 2/3 allowance:
1803 October 17 ----- Patterson Superintendant's wife
1803 October 17 Jane Gunn Prisoner's wife

Persons victualled at 1/2 and 1/4 allowance:
1803 October 17 ----- Patterson Superintend.ts child
1803 October 17 ----- Patterson Superintend.ts child
1803 October 17 Fredk. Patterson Superintend.ts child
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We can presume that the name of the Superintendent's wife was, Elizabeth.
Further, we can see that Jane (or rather, Janet) was listed by her married name of GUNN. Thus, the two unnamed children of the superintendent PATTERSON must be William and Joseph. [760]
According to the General Orders, children over 5 years received 1/2 rations while those under 5 years received 1/4 rations. The weekly full ration was thus (hmmm, yum): [760]
7 Pounds of Beef, or,
4 Ditto of Pork,
7 Ditto of Biscuit,
1 Ditto of Flour, --and,
6 Ounces of Sugar.

Occupied ~3/4 acre which Collins and Argyle Sts., Hobart, TAS, AUS, ran through precipitating a flurry of letters regarding a land dispute, reprinted in the HRA.
From April 1807 to at least May 1816, William did not receive his Superintendant salary. From 1810 he did receive "the Scanty pittance of Twenty five Pounds Per Annum" [761]
William's association with Gov. Bligh resulted in the family being blacklisted, and were not allowed to partake in the Store reliefs for twenty weeks...and the stigma may have stuck for many years.


There is a mysterious entry in the Index to the Bench of Magistrates. [762] It is unclear who this William Paterson was, nor where he was. The 14 April 1810 entry reads: "William Paterson charged by Mr. Nicholls the Superintendant with neglect of Work. Mr Nicholls says Paterson is in government employ among the stone cutters and that it is the custom for the overseer to mark the stones that have been shaped, that the same may not be produced again as having been worked another day, and the overseer therefore be deceived. James Dempsey, sworn says, he is the overseer of the stone cutters, that he examined a stone from which the mark appeared to have been erased, and nobody owned it. That next morning he saw the same stones with Paterson's name on it. Ordered by the court to shape and work five other stones in his extra work."

On 10 Oct 1810, William PATERSON was mentioned in a letter written by Thomas HIBBINS to Governor Maquarie: [763]
"PS. I omitted to mention in the foregoing letter that the Governor lately received a letter from a person at the Derwent called William Paterson soliciting some additional aid from Government besides being put on the stores. His letter I now transmit to you with the Governors desire that you will enquire into this mans Character and Claims and report the result to His Excellency. signed T.H."
This letter then procedes to list 4 grants for the Derwent, among whom was "No. 29 Will.m Paterson Esq.r 500 Acres"

William PATERSON is listed in an undated document (ca 1813) to have 75 acres in the district of Argyle at 2/- quit rents. [764]
It would appear that William later owed quit rents on this land. [765] William Paterson is listed as owing 2/- per year from 1819-1822 (8 s. total) on 75 acres of land occupied by W.A. Broadribb(?) in the district of Argyle.
Research
There is a problem with the husband and wife's names. On the children's baptismal certificates the parents are listed as Joseph Paterson and Elizabeth Roberts. However, in the HRA there are a series of letters by a William Paterson re a dispute over land in Hobart Town. One of these letters lists the names and birthdates of the children - and the information in this list is TOO close to the baptismal records for the children not to be the same ones. Also in these letters, the only mention of the mother's name is 'Elisabeth'...which fits with the baptism records. (all the William information has been provided by Bill Mirams). Also, the letters in the HRA indicate that there was one child, Frederick Jonathon David, and not two separate children, Frederick and Jonathon David (as indicated by the baptism records).

There was one reference to the name William PATERSON in the lists of employees at the Bank of England. The man was aged 29 years when he elected to work at the BofE on 22 July 1784, and he resided at Beckford Row, Walworth, London. Unfortunately, the BofE's records show that this man died on 27 Sep 1801. Thus, it could not be our William PATERSON. [766]
Military
These are the listings found for various William PATERSONs in the army/navy (red means not yet ruled out, blue means ruled out):
1. 99th Reg. Foot: Wm. PATTERSON: Admission (pension) 23 Sep 1818: 6 (sixpence per day, I think??) [767], [768]
2. 69th Reg. Foot: Ensign William PATERSON: Commissioned 25 Jun 1761
[769]
Adjt. William PATERSON: Commissioned 5 Nov 1766
Lt. William PATERSON: Rank in regiment 17 Mar 1769
[770]
On half-pay (list of Additional Companied reduced in 1783)
[771]
(69th Reg Foot 1768-9 under command of Hon. Charles COLVILLE)
[769]
3. 54th Reg. Foot: Ensign William Love PATERSON: Commissioned 7 Jul 1775
[770]
(54th Reg. Foot under command of Mariscoe Frederick;
In 1775 it ws in Ireland, in 1783 it was "West Norfolk Regiment")
[772]
4. Marine Officers on half-pay
Paterson W. First Lieut.
[770]
5. 57th Reg. Foot: Wm. Paterson, Lt (Ensign) , 27 Jan 1786
This one can be ruled out. Tasmanian records show his death as:
"Sat 26 Jan 1850, Deceased, PATERSON, Liet-Gen. Sir William - Entered
service in 1786 as Ensign in the 57th Regt. - 87 yrs - Brighton - 26th Ult."
[773]
6. New South Wales Regiment (later the 102nd Reg.): Lt.-Col. William PATERSON: Rank in the regiment gained 18 Jan 1798
We know this is not our William...this was the Governor.
[771]
7. 89th Reg. Foot: Lt. William PATERSON: Rank in Reg. 5 Aug 1804: Rank in army 30 Oct 1799.
[771]
This cannot be our William, as he gets rank in the 89th after our William is in TAS.
8. 21st Reg. Foot, or Royal N. Brit. Fuzileers: Maj. William PATERSON: 11 Dec 1802
[771]
This cannot be our William, this man's name was in the lists of Majors.
9. King's Carolina Rangers (Loyalist forces): Lt. Wm. PATERSON, Native to West Indies, Prev. Occ. = planter, 7 years service (as of 1783).
[774]
This is most probably not our William. There is a William PATERSON christened:
27 Nov 1743 at Saint James, Barbadoes, in the Caribbean to a John and Alice PATERSON.
This christening likely is the same person listed in the Carolina Rangers.
10. Guides and Pioneers, McAlpine's Company of Loyalists: William PATERSON, On Command South Hampton, Dec 1778.
[775]
11. 73rd Regiment: an entry at the NSW State Records Office for the 73rd Reg. includes a William PATTERSON.
[776]
This cannot be our William. According to the Maquarie University Library website
[777],
this regiment was in India from 1781 to 1805. Thus, the William PATTERSON of
the 73rd who had links to Norfolk Island could not be our William PATERSON.
Immig. Notes
These were reference details in an email I received re the Calcutta & Ocean:
"(Muster books, Captains' log and masters log, HMS Calcutta, ADM 16070, 16071, 51/1425, 52/3578, PRO; Ocean log, L/MAR/B/222J, Indian Office records, London, See also Collins commission HRA 3(1) p 4 cited in Tipping p 53)." [778]

These are the events and preparations leading up to the sailing of the ships from England that would ultimately convey the First European Settlers to Van Diemen's Land (the bolded names reflect important dates for the PATERSON family): [760]
ca 1751: William PATERSON born...somewhere and to some parents.
3 Mar 1756: David COLLINS born in London to Arthur Tooker COLLINS and Henrietta Caroline, née FRAZER.
ca 1768: Sarah FIDLER (Elizabeth's sister) born...possibly to Jonathon and Mary FIDLER of St John's parish, Westminster, London.
1770: David COLLINS enlists in his father's division as an Ensign.
1771: David COLLINS promoted to second Lieutenant (and remained an officer of the marines for life).
1772: David COLLINS serving on HMS Southampton when the ship was sent to Denmark to transport the banished Queen Caroline Matilda back to England (sister to George III).
1777: David COLLINS fought at the Battle of Bunker Hill.
1777: David COLLINS married Maria Stuart PROCTOR while stationed in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
ca 1778: Elizabeth FIDLER born...possibly to Jonathon and Mary FIDLER of St John's parish, Westminster, London.
ca 1780: Janet PATERSON born...exact date/place unknown. Her father was William, mother unknown.
end 1777 to 1786: David COLLINS stationed at Chatham Barracks near London.
Sep 1786: David COLLINS struggling to live on peacetime half-pay, learned that 4 garrisons of marines were to be sent to Botany Bay.
ca Nov 1786: David COLLINS appointed Judge-Advocate to the colony and garrison for the proposed colony at New South Wales.
May 1787: David COLLINS sailed with Gov. PHILLIP to Botany Bay on board the Sirius. He was not accompanied by his wife.
1 Aug 1790: Sarah FIDLER and Robert WILSON marry at parish church of St Martin's in the Fields, Westminster, London.
1788-Sep 1796: David COLLINS served as Judge-Advocate of New South Wales. Appointed in June 1788 as Secretary to Gov. Phillip. During his time in the colony, Collins took up with Ann (Nancy) YEATES (a convict) who bore two children: Marianne Laetitia and George Reynolds. The names of the children are said to reflect Collins' sense of kinship - after Maria his wife, George his brother.
1793: Death of David COLLINS father, Major-General Arthur COLLINS.
1 Jan 1797: William PATERSON (junior) born.
1797: David COLLINS reduced to receive a Captain's half-pay (5 shillings per day) and no recognition for his service in NSW.
1798-1800: The COLLINS' rented lodgings at 45 Beaumont Street Portland Place, London.
21 Mar 1799: Joseph PATERSON born.
8 July 1800: Joseph BANKS residing at Soho Square, London, invites David COLLINS to take tea.
ca 1801: Port Phillip discovered by John MURRAY and surveyed by Matthew FLINDERS.
Mar 1801: HOBART entered into the cabinet of Henry ADDINGTON, who was the sucessor to Prime Minister William PITT. HOBART was posted as War Minister, and acquired responsibility for the colonies in August of 1801.
ca Jul-Aug 1801: David COLLINS returns to duty on full pay as the most junior Captain of marines (or he would risk losing his commission altogether).
ca May 1802: David COLLINS released from active service on the Royal William, in response to the Peace of Amiens.
May to Nov 1802: Governor KING (at Port Jackson) to Lord HOBART (Colonial Secretary in London) recommends urgent settlement in the vicinity of "Bass's Straights". KING believed the French were thinking of settling the area (after BAUDIN's expedition. King wrote the letter in May, and it was received in ca 22 November.
Jul 1802: David COLLINS' manuscript of his times in the New South Wales colony is published, with a concuding paragraph that he had been unfairly treated by his superiors back in England as a result of his services in the colony. [779]
17 Aug 1802: Frederick Jonathon David PATERSON born.
Dec 1802: Lord HOBART drafts and submits to the Admiralty his proposals for a settlement in "Bass's Straights". At this time, the Colonial Office was administered by the War Office...and convict transport was the responsibility of the Navy.
23 Dec 1802: David COLLINS officially learned of his appointment to establish a new settlement, and was expected to sail in "about a Month or six Weeks". The following week he prepares to submit various recommendations to John SULLIVAN, Under Secreatry of State at the Colonial Office. These may be viewed through Coloinal Office records: all CO 201/35 (f.7-lists by COLLINS; f.11- Collins to Sullivan; f.1- Collins to Sullivan 24 Dec 1802; f.5- Collins to Sullivan 27 Dec 1802)
Jan 1803: HOBART submits Memorandum re settlement to King George III., in which he "humbly recommends Lieutenant Colonel Collins of the Marines as a person peculiarly well qualified for the situation of Lietenant Governor".
4 Jan 1803: King George III authorised Lord HOBART to appoint Lt.-Col. David COLLINS as the Lt.-Gov of the newly intended settlement, and "to put the plan into execution".
10 Jan 1803: Plan to establish colony at Port Phillip is publically revealed in the Times newspaper, including appointment of David COLLINS as Lieut. Governor.
mid Jan 1803: Preparations for fitting out the expedition began. However, the bureaucracy would be very complicated:
- the settlement was under the jurisdiction of the Colonial Office;
- the Calcutta and her Captain would answer only to the Admiralty;
- selection of convicts for transport was the job of the Home Office;
- free settlers were chosen by and answerable to the Colonial Office;
- Transport Commissioners responsible for chartering a store ship (outbound journey only);
- the store ship's return journey had to be sanctioned by the East India Company;
- Provisions/supplies were purchased by the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury.
ca 14 Jan 1803: Commissions prepared for the civil officers of the settlement: chaplain, judge-advocate, three surgeons, commissary, surveyor, two superintendents of convicts.
ca 16 Jan 1803: Tenders called for the charter of an additional (store) vessel, as the Calcutta could not transport the new settlement alone. This vessel would be selected quickly as the Ocean, a 481 ton vessel then at Deptford. It was then the job of the Naval Agent at Deptford (Capt. Stephen RAINS) to outfit her.
7 Feb 1803:
From Downing Street Lord HOBART writes to Lt-Col. COLLINS that he has been appointed Lt-Governor of the settlement intended for "Bass's Streights".
ca 29 Jan to 15 Feb 1803: Capt. RAINS was informed that the Ocean would not take convicts but would carry 50 marines, 50 settlers, and 50 women and children. Instead the Calcutta would take the convicts, and on 15 Feb 1803 RAINS was informed the Calcutta would also take the Marines.
21 Mar 1803: After meeting Capt. RAINS at Deptford, David COLLINS wrote a note from 56 Beaumont Street to William BUDGE of the Colonial Office at Downing Street. The letter began with the following passage:
"I am just returning from the Ocean, where I passed a couple of hours with the master, who has satisfied me that the ship cannot leave the river before Monday next. She is completely full, without the settlers' luggage, for which, if they all go, neither he nor I can devise any room. Two tons have generally been allowed each settler, and there is not room for five tons. Besides, it must be remembered that the gentlemen of the civil establishment who join her must have room for their baggage and sea stores. What they will do I cannot foresee."
21 Mar 1803: William PATERSON and Elizabeth FIDLER marry at St Anne's Church, Soho, London.
23 Mar 1803: The Ocean was unmoored with only about 12 of the intended 66 passengers on board. In the end, 20 of the intended 66 passengers did not embark for Ports Phillip and Jackson.
31 Mar 1803: The Ocean sailed to join the Calcutta at Portsmouth.
9 Apr 1803: David COLLINS arrives at Portsmouth finding the Ocean anchored off Spithead, and the embarkation of 300 convicts almost complete.
21 Apr 1803: The last of the 460 men, women and children were aboard the Calcutta. However, the winds were not favourable, so COLLINS stayed at lodgings on shore.
24 Apr 1803: David COLLINS was conveyed from shore to the Calcutta at ~9 a.m., and at 1:20 p.m. the Calcutta weighed anchor and set sail for St Helens, under the Command of Captain Daniel WOODRIFF of the Royal Navy. I think that the Ocean was under the command of Captain MERTHO (going by his testemony at the Enquiry in Rio de Janeiro).
ca 7 May 1803: Gov. KING (at Sydney) reports to Lord HOBART that Surveyor GRIMES (& party) held little promise nor hopes that an eligible place could be found at Port Phillip for a large agricultural settlement.
16 May 1803: The Calcutta and the storeship, Ocean, arrived in the "Road of Santa Cruz" at Teneriffe.
20 May 1803: The Calcutta and the storeship, Ocean, depart from Teneriffe, and were carried to ~7 degrees North by a "fresh N.E. Trade wind". They then "met with the Calms and Variable weather" of the equatorial regions.
10 Jun 1803: The Calcutta and Ocean cross the Equator. Around this time there was an incident on board the Ocean. COLLINS reports no names, but wrote from Rio de Janeiro that "some of the Settlers on board the Ocean having during the course of the Passage from Teneriffe resisted the Authority of the Master". Subsequently, the Ocean received 6 marines under orders of Lt. SLADDEN. There was a Court of Enquiry held at Rio over this incident which seems to have involved John HARTLEY, who "behaved improperly". Also at this Enquiry, Captain MERTHO claimed the settlers had been in a continual state of riot, and the settlers complained of the tyranny of Captain and crew. COLLINS also wrote of the settlers that "many of them appear to be wholly undeserving the favour and Encouragement which have been shown them by Government". Where can we view the records of this Enquiry??
29 Jun 1803: The Calcutta and Ocean arrived and anchored at Rio de Janeiro. Both ships were "in perfect Health", without any person lost since setting sail from Teneriffe. They had, however, lost one male convict the night before leaving Teneriffe.
19 Jul 1803: The Calcutta and Ocean set sail from Rio de Janeiro.
31 Jul 1803: The Calcutta lost sight of the Ocean in "some thick weather" a few days before the Calcutta made the island of Tristan da Cunha, and the two ships proceded to the colony separately. This happened because the Ocean could not match the speed of the Calcutta. As Capt. WOODRIFF had endangered the Calcutta by reducing the sail, they decided to proceed more rapidly.
12 Aug 1803: The Calcutta anchors at False (Simon's) Bay, near Cape Town.
19 Aug 1803: According to Knopwood a convict on board the Calcutta, John Henry CASHMAN, "stole Mr BRUMLEYs gold watch, and robd Mr MacDonals pocket book of 4 dollers. At 6 this eve he jumpd overboard, with an intention of getting on shore."
CASHMAN drowned before the boats got to him.
25 Aug 1803: The Calcutta set sail from False (Simon's) Bay, near Cape Town.
7 Oct 1803: The Ocean anchors at Port Phillip.
9 Oct 1803: The Calcutta arrived at Port Phillip in the morning. On entering the Bay, COLLINS was relieved to view the store ship Ocean which had anchored only two days earlier.
Sep 1803: Gov. KING sends John BOWEN (& party) to explore Risdon Cove, in the Derwent and he orders the establishment of settlement there.
Marriage 21 Mar 1803, St Anne's Church, Soho, London, England, UK [780]
Marriage Memo By banns which were read 6, 13, & 20 March 1803 by Jos. Jefferson Curate at St Annes; William & Elizabeth both of the parish; Witnesses at marriage G. Ryder (George was the groom of previous wedding with banns read 27 Feb, 6 & 13 Mar 1803) and Mary Death (she witnessed several marriages at St Anne's)
Children William, M (1797-1864)
Joseph, M (1799-1871)
Frederick Jonathon David, M (1802-1878)
(Sarah or Mary) Ann, F (1805-1850)
George James Henry, M (1807-1866)
John Nathaniel, M (1810-1890)
Edward, M (1813-1885)
Eliza Rebecca, F (1814-1893)
Last Modified 2 Jun 2004 Created 19 Feb 2005 by Stephen & Karen Karner (Reunion 7.05 for Macs)

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