My goodness how we do go on!  The Ancestry databases are well worth
paying for, Try it for one month. I found my Valerious relatives, I
thought they came in a space ship. By golly! they immigrated from
Prussia.  I figured they had to arrive some way because I am here;these
dead folks begat my grandmother.  My South Carolina Phillips line dates
back, way back and there was much information on them. 
I have memberships in several web sites that are useful to me. I figure
they are in business just as I am and I am not giving much away for
free.
Any way could we end this discussion?  Thank you!
Frances

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