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DYS Numbers | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ID | Ancestor | 3 9 3 |
3 9 0 |
1 9 * |
3 9 1 |
3 8 5 a |
3 8 5 b |
4 2 6 |
3 8 8 |
4 3 9 |
3 8 9 i |
3 9 2 |
3 8 9 i i |
4 5 8 |
4 5 9 a |
4 5 9 b |
4 5 5 |
4 5 4 |
4 4 7 |
4 3 7 |
4 4 8 |
4 4 9 |
4 6 4 a |
4 6 4 b |
4 6 4 c |
4 6 4 d |
4 6 0 |
G A T A H 4 |
Y C A II a |
Y C A II b |
4 5 6 |
6 0 7 |
5 7 6 |
5 7 0 |
C D Y a |
C D Y b |
4 4 2 |
4 3 8 |
More Markers |
Group 2
Citizens of Ireland; descendants of 19th and 20th century immigrants from Ireland to England, Canada, and the United States; and descendants of William Anglin of Hanover Co., VA; b. abt 1732; d. 1803, Caswell Co., NC SNP-tested haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f (R-L21) |
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A6 | (Wm) John | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | → |
A8 | (Wm) John | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A13 | (Wm)Aaron | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A72 | (Wm)Aaron | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 12 | 12 | → | |||||
A2 | (Wm) John | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 17 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A57 | (Wm)Drury | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A11 | (Wm) Wm | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 18 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A31 | (Wm) John | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A29 | Anglin | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A61 | Anglim | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A74 | Anglim | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 16 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | → |
A42 | Edward | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 23 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | → |
A22 | Samuel | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 16 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A58 | Thomas | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 16 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 29 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | → |
A45 | Anglim | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 19 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A70 | Anglin | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 19 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A17 | Robert | 13 | 23 | 15 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 19 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A36 | Jeremiah | 13 | 23 | 15 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 37 | 37 | 12 | 12 | |
A26 | John | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 38 | 38 | 12 | 12 | |
A54 | James | 13 | 23 | 15 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 17 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 20 | 28 | 16 | 16 | 17 | 17 | 11 | 11 | 19 | 23 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 36 | 36 | 12 | 12 | |
38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | 50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | 56 | 57 | 58 | 59 | 60 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 | 65 | 66 | 67 | 68 | 69 | 70 | 71 | 72 | 73 | 74 | 75 | 76 | 77 | 78 | 79 | 80 | 81 | 82 | 83 | 84 | 85 | 86 | 87 | 88 | 89 | 90 | 91 | 92 | 93 | 94 | 95 | 96 | 97 | 98 | 99 | 100 | 101 | 102 | 103 | 104 | 105 | 106 | 103 | 108 | 109 | 110 | 111 | ||
DYS Numbers | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ID | Ancestor | 5 3 1 |
5 7 8 |
3 9 5 S 1 a |
3 9 5 S 1 b |
5 9 0 |
5 3 7 |
6 4 1 |
4 7 2 |
4 0 6 S 1 |
5 1 1 |
4 2 5 |
4 1 3 a |
4 1 3 b |
5 5 7 |
5 9 4 |
4 3 6 |
4 9 0 |
5 3 4 |
4 5 0 |
4 4 4 |
4 8 1 |
5 2 0 |
4 4 6 |
6 1 7 |
5 6 8 |
4 8 7 |
5 7 2 |
6 4 0 |
4 9 2 |
5 6 5 |
7 1 0 |
4 8 5 |
6 3 2 |
4 9 5 |
5 4 0 |
7 1 4 |
7 1 6 |
7 1 7 |
5 0 5 |
5 5 6 |
5 4 9 |
5 8 9 |
5 2 2 |
4 9 4 |
5 3 3 |
6 3 6 |
5 7 5 |
6 3 8 |
4 6 2 |
4 5 2 |
4 4 5 |
Y - G A T A - A 1 0 |
4 6 3 |
4 4 1 |
Y Y - G G A A T - 1 B 0 7 |
5 2 5 |
7 1 2 |
5 9 3 |
6 5 0 |
5 3 2 |
7 1 5 |
5 0 4 |
5 1 3 |
5 6 1 |
5 5 2 |
7 2 6 |
6 3 5 |
5 8 7 |
6 4 3 |
4 9 7 |
5 1 0 |
4 3 4 |
4 6 1 |
4 3 5 |
Group 2 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A42 | Edward | 11 | 9 | 15 | 16 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 23 | 23 | 16 | 10 | 12 | 12 | 15 | 8 | 11 | 23 | 20 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 33 | 15 | 9 | 16 | 12 | 25 | 27 | 19 | 12 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 11 | 9 | 12 | 12 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 31 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 13 | 10 | 10 | 19 | 15 | 20 | 13 | 23 | 19 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 12 | 23 | 18 | 10 | 14 | 17 | 9 | 12 | 11 |
A74 | Anglim | 11 | 9 | 15 | 16 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 23 | 23 | 16 | 10 | 12 | 12 | 15 | 8 | 11 | 23 | 19 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 33 | 15 | 9 | 16 | 12 | 25 | 27 | 19 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 9 | 12 | 12 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 31 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 13 | 10 | 10 | 18 | 15 | 18 | 13 | 23 | 19 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 12 | 23 | 18 | 10 | 14 | 17 | 9 | 12 | 11 |
A58 | Thomas | 11 | 9 | 15 | 16 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 23 | 23 | 17 | 10 | 12 | 12 | 15 | 8 | 11 | 24 | 20 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 33 | 15 | 9 | 16 | 12 | 25 | 27 | 19 | 12 | 11 | 14 | 12 | 11 | 9 | 13 | 12 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 31 | 12 | 14 | 24 | 13 | 10 | 10 | 19 | 15 | 20 | 13 | 24 | 19 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 12 | 23 | 18 | 10 | 14 | 17 | 9 | 12 | 11 |
A6 | Wm>John | 11 | 9 | 15 | 16 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 23 | 23 | 16 | 10 | 12 | 12 | 16 | 8 | 11 | 23 | 20 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 34 | 15 | 9 | 16 | 12 | 25 | 27 | 19 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 9 | 12 | 12 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 31 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 13 | 10 | 10 | 19 | 15 | 20 | 13 | 23 | 19 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 12 | 23 | 18 | 10 | 14 | 17 | 9 | 12 | 11 |
A72 | Wm>Aaron | 11 | 13 | 11 | 31 | 12 | 15 | 24 | 13 | 10 | 23 | 12 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Aidan Anglin was kind enough to furnish me with very fine maps.
To see County Cork in the
context of all of the other counties of Ireland, see this map.
The recent results on A58 require the revision of this section, and I'm working on it, so stayed tuned.
A17 and A22 have believed that their respective earliest known ancestors were brothers, and for good reason. Robert was born in Bandon in County Cork in 1775, and Samuel was born there in 1780. Both families were Protestant, which certainly does not prove anything, but it does lend a comforting consistency to the idea. And there were not any records to suggest the contrary. Unfortunately, however, Irish records for the time in question are very scarce, so the absence of contrary records has little, if any, probative value.
It is ironic that when Group 2 has so few mutations, we should find three of them in the only two people outside of the colonial American group who believed their earliest known ancestors were brothers, and even more ironic that these two have none of their mutations in common, but there we have it. The fact that A17 and A22 have none of their mutations in common is not necessarily inconsistent, however, with the belief that Robert and Samuel were brothers.
Since A17 and A22 have no mutations in common, we know that their most recent common ancestor had the ancestral values and not any of these mutations. But we have no idea, just looking at these 2 sets of results, which generations below the most recent common ancestor these mutations occurred in.
Then along comes A36, whose test results show a mutation in common with A17, AND the mutation is at DYS 391, which is not a fast marker. The chance that two people in the group could have parallel mutations at that marker, rather than having inherited the mutation from a common ancestor, is not impossible, but is improbable, especially in so few generations.
If A17's and A22's earliest known ancestors were indeed brothers, and if all of A17's immigrant ancestor's children were born in Canada, and if A17 and A36 inherited their mutation at DYS 391 from a common ancestor, then A36 would have to be descended from A17's earliest known ancestor, Robert. Faced with these unlikely scenarios, it seems much likelier that A17 and A22 have more generations between themselves and their most recent common ancestor than they have believed. But lots of unlikely things happen, and what really counts is what actually happened, not what was most likely to have happened. It would be nice, therefore, to have more participants whose families came from Bandon to see if we can get any better an idea as to when the mutation at DYS 391 occurred, and thereby a better idea of the family tree.
Because results from descendants of two different sons of William (John and Aaron) match exactly, we know that William had the same haplotype as A6 and A8 (descended from John) and A13 (descended from Aaron). Having established the ancestral haplotype, we have charted any mutations or differences from that haplotype in bold type in the Test Results Chart. Below is a chart showing the lines of each of our participants descended from William.
We know the haplotypes of each person indicated in dark blue. Testing of more participants would be required to establish the haplotypes of the persons indicated in lighter blue. Since only 12 markers have been tested for A31, we only know that his haplotype is ancestral for the first 12 markers, so his lineage in indicated in gray. If would be helpful if he would upgrade to 36 markers. The mutations are indicated in red.
If we were to establish where the mutations occurred, we would know that the relatives with that mutation, whose exact lineage was unknown, would be descended from the earliest ancestor with the mutation. A2's most remote ancestor whose haplotype is unknown is Andrew. We can find Andrew's haplotype by testing a descendant of a different son of Andrew, i.e. by testing a descendant of a brother of A2's grandfather John.
Likewise, in A11's line, William, Jr. is his most remote ancestor whose haplotype is unknown. We could find William's haplotype by testing a descendant of a different son of William Jr.'s than A11's great great grandfather John. If William didn't have the 18 at DYS 458, then we would want to move down one more generation and test a different son of John than A11's great grandfather Thaddeus.
Obviously, this tree is nice and leafy for the descendants of William's son John, but pitifully scraggly for the descendants of William's other sons. If our tree could branch out a little better for those lines, we might find some more mutations.