GLEN'S PAGE
Glen Brunskill
<[email protected]> (old?)
"Glen Brunskill" <[email protected]> (APRIL, 2001
My Elizabeth HOLLINGER (b 1824, Obermiesau, Pfalz) came to Canada on a
bride ship in 1848. She was the oldest of eleven children of George
HOLLINGER (b 1800, Eichelsheiderhof). George was a cooper. Her
siblings
were; George (b 1825), Daniel (b 1828), Charlotte (1829) and Carolina
(b
1831). Her mother (Charlotte TRAUTMANN, b 1800) died in 1832 and
George
remarried (Elizabeth SCHNEIDER, b 1808) and they had; Walter (b 1833),
Philip (b 1836), Caroline (b 1838), Jacob (b 1841), Michael (b 1844), and
Eva (b 1847). Some of Elizabeth's siblings followed her and in
1854
George HOLLINGER brought the rest of the family to Waterloo Co., Upper
Canada. George's brother Johann Ludwig HOLLINGER
(b 1788) had come to
Waterloo county with his wife and children probably in the early 1840's.
Most (if not all) of the German origin Upper Canada HOLLINGERs are of
George's or Ludwig's families (I think). There are also Irish origin
HOLLINGERs in Upper Canada during this period.
Any chance of a connection? What can you tell me of your HOLLINGERs?
Glen Brunskill
From:
Glen Brunskill <[email protected]>
I thought that I would point out something that I
noticed from Shirley
Robinette's posting of 22 Mar.
>>>>>>>>
>From: ShirleyRobinette <[email protected]>
Subject: Hollinger
Hollinger
Folk Lore Society Publication Vol 1-121
states Jac Hollinger-Waldmohr with wife & child for America 1736
Tobias Custard was father of Anna who married Jac Hollinger (married by
1776) signed Tobias Custard Intestate 1755
<
>>>>>>>>
I am not sure how many of the HOLLINGER connections that subscribe to the
list would know of Waldmohr so I thought that I would add a little
description.
Waldmohr is a district in the Palatinate (Pfalz) in what is now
Rhineland-Pfalz in Germany. My HOLLINGER families also came from this
area to Canada, albeit starting about 1840 rather than 1736. There
were not a
lot of HOLLINGERs in the Waldmohr district in the early 18th century.
Most
(all?) had moved there from Switzerland
sometime after the depopulation
caused by the 30 Years War (say starting 1650). If someone is
interested
in following up on this particular lead, I would suggest that they start
in the parish records of Lambsborn. My
HOLLINGER family was in that parish
at that time. I have not got a Jacob HOLLINGER / Anna CUSTARD marriage
in my
data but except for the fact that the recording is all done in the old
German script the records are quite legible and extensive.
My line at that period is Johann Heinrich HOLLINGER born 1721 Lambsborn,
son of Samuel and Saren. I have only located one brother Johann Conrad
HOLLINGER born 1719, Lambsborn.
Regards,
Glen BRUNSKILL
[email protected]
PS If anyone out there has traced their HOLLINGERs to or from
Ontario,
Canada, I would be interested in hearing from
them.
GLEN - am forwarding Shirleys notes to you - as your letter was rec'd as
Not a Sub-
We have a very small HOLLINGER group - If you'd like to be a member, You
could share all HOLLINGERS letters = Not that Many - usually just on Main
Subjects-Advise-
ANY info you would like to share on Germany/Switzerland areas you were
discussing -=
The more info you send and we can post on these pages =
The more likely someone on the NET will pick up Your Info and Share with
You and You can Share with All HOLLINGERS.
I am sorry I am not more knowledgeable on these areas -
YOU Hollingers must post more info on Same so we All/Me know where we
are/came from etc-
Thanks GLEN for sharing when we don't have much (Right Now-Later) to
share with you- marie, iowa
==================
ShirleyRobinette wrote:
"Shirley Robinette" <[email protected]>
> Marie, Somewhere in my files I may still have some info on
Hollingers in
> Canada.
> Many years ago (don't remember how long ago) there was a Hollinger gold
> mine in Canada-supposedly one of the largest & richest gold mine.
May
still > have the info.
> Will check files & see what I can find-it may be in HKH
book.Shirley
Message text written by marie sellers hollinger
>GLEN, do you have info from the parish records of Lambsborn
?
Would this help us connect ? Do You know who you connect to in
Waldmohr?
Maybe some of our members have studied this area and would contribute info
=
Mostly, we just kinda have one line back and a couple kids - Glad we have
that!
Please share - marie, iowa
<
Dear Marie,
I am already a list member and did send in an outline of my HOLLINGER
lines. I probably didn't send what I have all the way back to
Lambsborn
but I think I took it as far as Eichelschniderhof, which is about 5
miles
north (just guessing, I don't have a map with me)
I probably signed up from one of my other e-mail addresses. I
am in
London, England this week and have a couple of addresses on forwarding.
It
looks like I use either [email protected] or
[email protected] for my subscription to the list.
At least that is the server that is forwarding the HOLLINGER postings
to
me at this address. I forgot that I wasn't subscribed through this
address.
I have some HOLLINGER records from Lambsborn and the parish registers
have
been filmed by the LDS. As I said in my posting the problem is
that the
script is the old german script and I have to use one of the LDS crib
sheets to figure out what the letters are. Some records are in the IGI
so
that makes it easier to locate by date a record to try and read.
.Fortunately one of my relations (my step brother in law) reads the old
German script reasonably well so if I am really interested in a particular
entry I get him to translate it for me. ;
If someone has HOLLINGER connections in the Waldmohr or other districts
of
that area I would be glsd to have a look in my data base. Of course
approximate birth, marriage and / or death dates and possible places make
it much easier. I have about 16,500 entries (all surnames, not just
HOLLINGER related) at this time
Glen Brunskill
WOW!! The Henry Kline HOLLINGER booklet "HOLLINGER SAGAS"
is really something!
Does anyone know the background of the various sections? In
particular I
am wondering what was the background of Pastor Wilheim. How does he
tie in?
When was he preparing his Manuscript?
"Excerpts From our First Historian's Manuscript - Pastor
Wilheim"
appears to consist of pages 21, 22, 23 and 24 of the SAGAS.
My special interest is in the notes on page 22 concerning the HOLLINGER
families of Eichelscheiderhof, Bayern, (now Rhineland-Pfalz) in the Waldmohr
District.
You may also have noted that Jacob (from Lancaster Co. PA, immigrant of
1736/37)
discussed on page 18 is from Waldmohr and the other (possibly the same)
Jacob of similar vintage, mentioned in our discussion of earlier in the
spring (see
the Hisotry Page) as being from Lambsborn would also likely be of the same
group of
HOLLINGER
family lines. Eichelscheiderhof is only about 3 miles north of
Lambsborn.
Walmohr is the district seat.
It is extremely likely that all of the HOLLINGERs in this area of Germany
came with many other immigrant families from Switzerland (Egliswil /
Boniswyl)
sometime between the end of the Thirty Years War (1648) and about 1710.
!GEB Note: On Sat 7 Sep 1996, during a business trip to Russia etc,
I had
the opportunity to rent a car in Frankfurt and make a little day trip to
Rhineland-Pfalz.
I went to Miesau, Schonenberg-Kubelberg, Waldmohr, Eichelscheiderhof,
Lambsborn, Kashofen, Homburg, Jagersburg, Dittweiler, and Breitenbach.
The towns are
pretty typical however one very interesting thing came up.
Eichelscheiderhof is
not at all typical of a town or village. Eichelscheiderhof is actually
some type of
large 18th century estate. Unfortunately my camera had run out of film
in
Miesau and I was unable to find anywhere to purchase more. About 15
years ago a
private individual had purchased Eichelscheiderhof from a government agency.
Apparently he has turned a lot of the buildings into accommodation into
one and two room apartments used for the main part by students. The
main
Chateau also appeared to have been divided into apartments. The
Stables are huge.
I would think that at one time they probably housed at least 150 horses.
I
understood from the people that I spoke with that sometime in the late
19th and well into the 20th century the State of Rhineland-Pfalz operated
a stud farm here. The buildings are quite impressive although a little run
down I understand that the State felt that they could no longer afford to
operate the farm and maintain the buildings and that is why it was sold off.
!Source: Transcriptions of Reformed Church records by Erich
WUNN, 1975
Contains data from transcriptions chronologically compiled from
parishes
surrounding Waldmohr, including Dunzweiler, Jagersburg, Websweilerhor,
Eichelscheiderhof, Alt-und Neubreitenfelderhof, Waldziegelhutte and
Mohrmuhle.
film 1676260
!GEB Note: This document contains a translation of my lines Johann
Henrich
HOLLINGER's (b 1721- d 1793, Eichelscheiderhof) death note. It
mentions that he was from Wiesbach. Wiesbach is a small hamlet
about 4 km SSE of Lambsborn and about 7 km SE of Eichelscheiderhof.
The note's wording apparently suggests that Johann's wife was still living
at that time (1793). I have assumed that Samuel (b 1753) was born in
Wiesbach before his father became employed at the Eichelscheiderhof. I
haven't
found Eichelscheiderhof HOLLINGER entries before 1756. Johann Henrich
was (I
think) Christened in Lambsborn.
Samuel and his wife Marie Elizabeth (b abt 1765) had nine children, most
of whom were born in Eichelscheiderhof. My line is George Balthasar
HOLLINGER (b 1800, Eichelscheiderhof).
"Balthasar" is a fairly common HOLLINGER
second name in this line of HOLLINGERs (see page 20, HKH).
Herschweiler/
Pettersheim in Kusel District is about 20(?) Km north of Waldmohr.
From:
Glen Brunskill
<[email protected]>
To:
"INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Hi List,
Does anyone have a pedigree for "Pastor Wilhelm HOLLINGER"?
Is Pastor Wilhelm the same Wilhelm HOLLINGER born
Eichelscheiderhof, 29
Aug 1841, that wrote the poem on page 20 of the "HOLLINGER SAGAS"?
HELP!!!
Glen Brunskill
I don't know about children of Jacob and Margaretha HOLLINGER but I do
know about two likely siblings of Jacob (see FGR 2978). My line
is via
Johann Henrich HOLLINGER (b 1721 - d 1793)
Glen Brunskill
FAMILY GROUP RECORD-2978
===========================================================================
=====
HUSBAND Samuel HOLLINGER-8960
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BORN: Abt
1685 PLACE:
[Lambsborn],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
CHR.:
PLACE:
DIED: Aft
1721 PLACE:
,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
BUR.:
PLACE:
MARR: Abt 1710
PLACE: ,[Pfalz],Bayern,Germany
FATHER: HOLLINGER-8483
PARENTS' MRIN: 2827
MOTHER:
===========================================================================
====
WIFE Saren-8961
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
BORN: Abt
1690 PLACE:
[Lambsborn],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
CHR.:
PLACE:
DIED: Aft
1721 PLACE:
,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
BUR.:
PLACE:
FATHER:
MOTHER:
===========================================================================
====
CHILDREN
===========================================================================
====
1. NAME: Johann Conrad HOLLINGER-8962
----
BORN:
PLACE:
M CHR.: 18 Jun
1719 PLACE:
Lambsborn,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
DIED:
PLACE:
BUR.:
PLACE:
SPOUSE:
MARR:
PLACE:
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2. NAME: Johann Henrich HOLLINGER-832
----
BORN:
PLACE:
[Wiesbach],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
M CHR.: 13 Jul
1721 PLACE:
Lambsborn,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
DIED: 24 Sep
1793 PLACE:
Eichelscheiderhof (BA.
Homburg),Bayern,Germany
BUR.:
PLACE:
SPOUSE: [SP
HOLLINGER]-833
MRIN: 284
MARR:
PLACE:
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Glen Brunskill
10 George St., 4th Floor, Suite 7
Hamilton, Ontario
CANADA L8P 1C8
Phone:905-526-8242 fax 526-0293
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HUSBAND Samuel
HOLLINGER-8960 Yr of
Birth 1685
WIFE
Saren-8961
Yr of Birth 1690
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HUSBAND - Samuel HOLLINGER-8960
Source: 1994 IGI 3.05 Evangelisch, Lambsborn,
Pfalz, Bayern film
193964
chr: 13 Jul 1721 Johann
Henrich F: Samuel HOLLINGER M: Saren
WIFE - Saren-8961
Source: 1994 IGI 3.05 Evangelisch, Lambsborn,
Pfalz, Bayern film
193964
chr: 13 Jul 1721 Johann
Henrich F: Samuel HOLLINGER M: Saren
CHILD 1 - Johann Conrad HOLLINGER-8962
Source: 1994 IGI 3.05 Evangelisch, Lambsborn,
Pfalz, Bayern film
193964
chr: 18 Jun 1719 Johann
Conrad F: Samuel HOLLINGER M: Saren
CHILD 2 - Johann Henrich HOLLINGER-832
Source: Transcriptions of Reformed Church records by
Erich WUNN, 1975
Contains data from transcriptions chronologically
compiled from
parishes
surrounding Waldmohr, including Dunzweiler,
Jagersburg,
Websweilerhor,
Eichelscheiderhof, Alt-und Neubreitenfelderhof,
Waldziegelhutte and
Mohrmuhle. film 1676260
!GEB Note: This document contains a translation of Johann Henrich's
death
note. It mentions that he was from Wiesbach. Wiesbach is a small
hamlet
about 4 km SSE of Lambsborn and about 7 km SE of Eichelscheiderhof.
Its'
wording apparently suggests that his wife was still living at this time.
Source: 1994 IGI 3.05 Evangelisch, Lambsborn, Pfalz,
Bayern film 193964
chr: 13 Jul 1721 Johann Henrich F: Samuel
HOLLINGER M: Saren
Lead Source: 27 Jan 1747 Krottelbach, Pfalz, b A457978 s 457978-82 book
Glen BRUNSKILL Note: My line is of Johann Henrich HOLLINGER, born
1721,
chr 13 July 1721. To the best of my knowledge he was born in Wiesbach
and
moved to Eichelscheiderhof (about 4km north of Lambsborn) about 1756.
His
son Samuel was likely born in Wiesbach about 1753 although I have yet to
locate a primary record of this birth. He died in Obermiesau in 1831.
Johann Henrich HOLLINGER (b 1721) died in Eichelscheiderhof, 24 Sep 1793.
Samuel's son George Balthasar HOLLINGER born 1 Jul 1800,
Eichelscheiderhof
- died 1862, Bridgeport, Waterloo Co., Ontario, Canada. His daughter
Elizabeth HOLLINGER (b 1824, Obermiesau), my gggrandmother, came to
Berlin, (now Kitchener) Ontario in 1848 and died there in 1896.
Prefix: Krottelbach
Krottelbach
GKZ : 07 3 36 054
County : | | +---- Kusel {KUS}
RegBez : | +------- Rheinhessen-Pfalz
Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz
ZIP : 66909
Popul : 762
Locat : (Kusel) 49d32m N 7d24m E
Maps : TK25 6410 Kusel
TK50 L6510 Landstuhl
Euro Hc51
Prefix: Lambsborn
Lambsborn
GKZ : 07 3 35 201
County : | | +---- Kaiserslautern {KL}
RegBez : | +------- Rheinhessen-Pfalz
Land : +--------- Rheinland-Pfalz
ZIP : 66894
Popul : 802
Locat : (Kaiserslautern) 49d27m N 7d46m E
Maps : TK25 6512 Kaiserslautern
TK50 L6512 Kaiserslautern
Euro He52
Lambsborn, Eichelscheiderhof and Kottelbach are all within a few miles of
one another in the Palatinate, (now Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany).
HOLLINGERs in this part of the Pfalz came from Canton Aargau, Switzerland in
the period after the end of the thirty years war (1648) and about 1720.
>From the Pfalz, many emigrated to PA in the middle of the 18th Century
and
some of my connections immigrated to Waterloo Co., Ontario in the middle of
the 19th Century.
My name is Glen Brunskill from Burlington, Ontario, Canada. I use
to be a
member of the list and made a fair number of postings from a few different
e-mail addresses. Anyway I haven't been doing anything with my
HOLLINGERs
for a year or so as some of my other lines were demanding too much of my
time. I had found that progress on the HOLLINGERs was in one of those
difficult stages, lots of work and little progress. Quite
recently I have
made contact with some "new" cousins and today I decided to rejoin
the list.
One of the reasons for doing this is that I have misfiled my copy of:
!Source: HKH "HOLLINGER SAGAS" of 1955 Excerpts from
our first Historian's
Manuscript - see Pastor Wilhelm (HOLLINGER) Page 20
and someone has asked me for a copy of the HOLLINGER SAGAS as they relate to
the Eichelscheiderhof HOLLINGERs. Does someone on the list have a copy
that
they could copy for us? As I recall Sonnie copied it for quite a few
list
members sometime in 1999 but I would hate to ask her again.
People working on my line HOLLINGERs are relatively lucky as Henry Kline
HOLLINGER (b 1897, sometimes referred to as HKH) included quite a few quotes
from someone he called "Pastor Wilhelm" HOLLINGER "our first
historian".
>From the context I had assumed that "Pastor Wilhelm" was, or
had lived in PA
or Ohio but thanks to some work by Franz SCHNEIDER.(Hi Franz) and Wilf MOLL
(Hi Wil), I think that we have been able to track him down in Bad
Bergzabern, Pfalz. Here is my work in progress version of HKH's Pastor
Friedrich Wilhelm HOLLINGER's Ahnentafel.
Comments on Pastor Wilhelm's Ahnentafel would be welcomed.
Regards, Glen Brunskill
AHNENTAFEL CHART
5 Apr 2001
=======================================================
1st GENERATION
1 Friedrich Wilhelm
HOLLINGER-21706: b 7 Jul 1867 Gleishorbach,near
Bergzabern,Pfalz,Germany; d Aft 1931 of Bad ,Bergzabern
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2nd GENERATION
2 Wilhelm
HOLLINGER-17442: b 29 Aug 1841 Eichelscheiderhof,,near
Waldmohr,Pfalz;
m 26 Oct 1865 ,[near Waldmohr],Pfalz,Germany; d
1931
of Gleishorbach
3 Katharina WENDEL-21428: b
Abt 1844 [Eichelscheiderhof],near
Waldmohr,Pfalz
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3rd GENERATION
4 Karl HOLLINGER-17443:
b 22 May 1810 Eichelscheiderhof,near
Waldmohr,
Pfalz; m 27 Nov
1838 Waldmohr,,Pfalz,Germany; d 5 Jul 1880
,,Pfalz,
Germany
5 Elizabeth KAERTH-17495: b
4 Apr 1820 Bruchmuehlenbach,,Pfalz,
Germany; d 5
Jun 1858 ,,Pfalz,Germany
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4th GENERATION
8 Johannes
HOLLINGER-17446: b Abt 1759 Eichelscheiderhof,near
Waldmohr,Pfalz;
m Abt 1780 [Waldmohr],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany; d of
Le
Havre,,,France
9 Charlotte
NEUREUTHER-17496: b Abt 1760 [Waldmohr],Pfalz,Bayern,
Germany; d 22
Oct 1848 Jaegersburg,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
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5th GENERATION
16 Johann Heinrich
HOLLINGER-832: c 13 Jul 1721
Lambsborn,Pfalz,Bayern,
Germany; m 27
Jan 1747 Krottelback,,Pfalz,Germany; d 24 Sep 1793
Eichelscheiderhof (BA. Homburg),Bayern,Germany
17 Margaretha DAUBER*-17457: b
Abt 1725 ,,Pfalz,Germany; d Aft 24 Sep
1793 of
Eichelscheiderhof,Pfalz,Germany
*see update on DAUBER below
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6th GENERATION
32 Samuel HOLLINGER-8960: b
Abt 1680 [Wiesbach],[Pfalz],[Bayern],
[Germany]; m
Abt 1703 ,[Pfalz],[Bayern],[Germany]; d Aft 1721
[Lambsborn],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
33 Saren BOLLINGER-8961: b Abt
1685 [Lambsborn],[Pfalz],[Bayern],
[Germany]; d
Aft 1721 [Lambsborn],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
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----
7th GENERATION
64 HOLLINGER-8483: b
,,[Aargau],Switzerland
============================================================
FROM
"Glen Brunskill" <[email protected]>
(APRIL, 2001
:
"Glen
Brunskill" <[email protected]>
I think that this Samuel HOLLI(N)GER and Sara (see below) may be the same
Samuel HOLLINGER and Sara that lived with their ten children in Lambsborn,
Pfalz, Germany after about 1718. Anna Sara HOLLINGER, their oldest
child,
was born in 1704.
I had Sara's surname as BOLLINGER but now suspect that PETER is correct.
I am working on a couple of leads and wonder if anyone can help me with
the
following place names: Gontenschwil, Retterswil and
Gunterswiler. I
suspect that these places are all in Canton Aargau, Switzerland. I have
tried my usual map sites etc. but no luck. I assume that they are near
Leutwil, Boniswil and Seengen in the Aargau (about 40 km east of Zurich)
I really must get a larger scale map of that area!
Any help would be appreciated as some primary records from
"Gontenschwil"
would be a big leap backwards (I hope)!
Regards, Glen Brunskill, Burlington ON
PS I see that some pages of a church book manuscript are in the FHL
catalogue.
!Source: Family Search International Genealogical Index v4.01
Continental Europe
Samuel HOLLIGER
Sex: M
Event(s):
Birth: Abt. 1673
Of Gontenschwil, Aargau, Switzerland
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Sara PETER
Source Information:
Film Number: 449504
Page Number: 0023
Reference Number: 73317
Film or fiche number:
449504
Film/fiche search results:
Endowments for the dead, 1955-1970; baptisms for the dead, 1955-1970
Church
of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Swiss Temple
!Source: Family Search International Genealogical Index v4.01
Continental Europe
Samuel HOLLIGER
Sex: M
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Sara PETER
Marriage: 2 Dec 1702
<of Gotenschwil>, Aargau, Switzerland
Source Information:
Film Number: 455439
Page Number:
Reference Number:
Film or fiche number:
455439
Film/fiche search results:
Sealings for the dead, couples and children (includes some living spouses
and
children) 1943-1970; heir indexes, 1943-1968 Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. Logan Temple
GLEN, wonder if this party would know. marie, iowa
http://www.looksmart.com/r?page=/search/frames/index.html&isp=m&name=&bcolor=cccccc&key=Gontenschwil&url=http%3a//www.genealogy.com/genealogy/users/b/o/l/Walter%2dBolliger&pskip=&nskip=10&se=12&index=1
Dear Bob,
Thankyou very much for your response to my post.
I am away from home on business this week and have been a little tied up
(along with trouble getting on the internet while on the road).
Thanks for locating Gontenschwil for me. I had looked it up in the
Family
History Catalogue before and found some references to a church record
(photocopied pages of such a church record, however not a full microfilm of
the existing record). Unfortunately for me it is in a book form rather
than
microfilm so I guess I will have to go to Salt Lake City (or maybe
Switzerland)
to have a look.
"Title: Kirchenbuch, 1558-1761
Authors: Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirche Gontenschwil (Aargau) (Main
Author)
Notes: Manuskript (Photocopie). Inhalt: Teil 1. Gontenschwil im
Allgemeinen. Gontenschwil in Zahlen. Zetzwil. Taufen, 1727-1761 -- Teil 2.
Taufen, 1558-1560, 1561, 1582-1585, 1605, 1607-1608, 1625, 1638-1640
1672-1674, 1682-1684, 1695-1697, 1705-1708, 1720-1722. Photocopy of
selected pages of baptismal entries from the church books of Gontenschwil.
Includes introductory material. Donated by Charles S. Laubly.
Subjects: Switzerland, Aargau, Gontenschwil - Church records
Copies
Call Number Location
949.451/G1 K29e FHL INTL Large Q Book
949.451/G1 K29e pt. 2 FHL INTL Large Q Book
Format: Manuscript
Language: German
Physical: [59] Bl.
Subject Class: 949.451/G1 K29"
Re:
> > I suspect that these places are all in Canton Aargau, Switzerland. I
have
> > tried my usual map sites etc. but no luck. I assume that they
are near
> > Leutwil, Boniswil and Seengen in the Aargau (about 40 km east of Zurich)
> >
> Canton Argau is west and north of Zurich.
You are quite right. I meant to say West rather than East.
Leutwil,
Boniswil and Seengen are about 40 km west of Zurich and according to the
route planner it is 5.2 km (just over 3 miles) to go from Leutwil to Seengen
via Boniswil by road.
As for the Temple sealing records and endowments for the dead (especially
those from the periods before extensive microfilming of originals), that has
been my experience as well. This type of record is excellent as a lead
but
the information is not always very accurate. As you note, Retterswil and
Gunterswiler don't seem to exist while Gontenschwil does have records in the
Family History catalogue.
Thanks very much for you help.
Glen Brunskill
----- Original Message -----
From: bob gillis <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PF-L] HOLLINGER s / HOLLIGER s, Boniswil, Aargau and Lambsborn
area, Pfalz
snip
> ...
> Looking in the Swiss Railway and bus timetables I found:
>
> Gontenschwil: 15 KM SSE of Aarau and 20 Km NNW of Luzerne in Canton
> Argau
>
> Retterswil: I think you mean Rupperswil 6 KM ENE of Aarau
>
> Gunterswiler: I found a Ganterswill about 10 KM N of Wattwill in Canton
> St. Gallen. Probably is really Gontenschwil.
> ...
snip
From:
"Glen Brunskill"
<[email protected]>
[email protected]
Subject: [PF-L] Nepoleonic Calendar
Can anyone confirm the following date conversion?
"The 13th day of Messidor the 8th year of the French Republic (2 Jul
1799?)
indicating that he was born the day before 1 Jul 1799 at 2 in the
afternoon."
Does anyone know of a site for converting from the Napoleonic Calendar?
Regards, Glen Brunskill
!Source: film 416098 Civil Registration of Schonenburg
The first four documents on the film relate to the marriage of
Charlotte
Trautman and George Hollinger 3 Aug 1823. Included in
the documents are
a copy of the civil birth registration of George at Waldmor on the
13th
day
of Messidor the 8th year of the French Republic (2 Jul 1799?)
indicating
that he was born the day before 1 Jul 1799 at 2 in the
afternoon. His
parents were Samuel Hollinger farmer and Elizabeth Zimmer.
Elizabeth has
died by the time of George's marriage.
From:
"W. David Samuelsen"
<[email protected]>
: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PF-L] Nepoleonic Calendar
the answer is 2 July 1800 - I checked the booklet I have.
David
Subject:
Boniswyl
HOLLINGERs
Resent-Date:
Thu, 5 Jul 2001
18:35:35 -0600
Resent-From:
[email protected]
Date:
Thu, 5 Jul 2001
20:37:00 -0400
From:
"Glen
Brunskill" <[email protected]>
Reply-To:
[email protected]
To:
[email protected]
References:
1
Hi Craig (and Donna and List),
I visited your web site and see we have a connection (I think!).
Congratulations, I really liked your site and the commentary.
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RELATIONSHIP CALCULATOR
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Christopher HOLLINGER-21588
is the 7th cousin 4 generation(s) removed
of Glen Eric BRUNSKILL-1
Their common ancestor is
Junghans HOLLIGER-17158
That would be Christopher HOLLINGER (b 1785 - d 1859) and Junghans HOLLIGER
(b 1510 - d ? ). As usual, I still have a lot of work to do
to better
document my line back to Heini HOLLIGER (b 1426).
At the moment I am working on the theory that my Samuel HOLLINGER (b abt
1673 - d aft 1721 Lambsborn, Pfalz, Germany) is the Samuel HOLLINGER (b 1673
Gotenschwil, Aargau, Switzerland - d ?) that married Sara PETER 2 Dec 1702,
<Gotenschwil>. I see from your web site that you have been to
Boniswyl and
wondered if you visited the local archive for records of the period. Can
you tell me the name of the local archive and give me the contact
information if you have it? At this point I haven't figured out which is
the relevant archive.
Regards, Glen Brunskill, Burlington, Ontario.
Ref: From Family Search
Switzerland, Aargau - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Lenzburg - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Wildegg - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Rheinfelden - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Laufenburg - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Brugg - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Bremgarten - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Zofingen - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Hermetschwil - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Gnadenthal - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Kaiserstuhl - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Mellingen - Archives and libraries
Switzerland, Aargau, Aarburg - Archives and libraries
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Harlan Hullinger AICP <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: HOLLINGER-D Digest V01 #49
> No I have not written to the Irish Hollingers
>
> I just got our geneology page on the web, at the address below. Our
> Hollinger line, and probably yours as well, started in Hovil Bonisvil in
> Canto Argaau outside of Zurich
>
> http://www.genealogy.com/users/h/u/l/Craig-H-Hullinger/?Welcome=994261529
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: HOLLINGER-D Digest V01 #49
>
>
> > My Hollingers came from Northern Ireland, probably County Down or
Antrim.
> > I'm planning to write (snail) several Hollinger names there I've
gathered
> > from yellowpages and other sources. Before I do and possibly
impose
> > unnecessarily on these people, I wondered if any of you have already
done
> so
> > and with what results.
From:
"Glen Brunskill"
<[email protected]>
[email protected]
Subject: [PF-L] Re: Krahenberg & Quirnbach
Hi Kathy (Ralf and List),
Further to Ralf's answer and my post of last Saturday (22 Sep 2001) I went
looking for Krahenberg. I suspected that it had to be somewhere near
Miesau
and located what I take to be your Krahenberg about 10 km south of Miesau.
This Krahenberg is located about 20 km south of Quirnbach.about 4 km SSE of
Lambsborn and less than a km east of Wiesbach. My HOLLINGERs lived in
Wiesbach in the early part of the 18th century before moving on to
Eichelscheiderhof just a couple of km north west of Lambsborn about the
period your VOLLMARs were in Krahenberg.
Regards, Glen Brunskill
> Hi Frank,
>
> Good to see your still looking. Do you have the name of Peter's
wife? I
> also wondered about the name of Max's wife?
>
> One suggestion for you would be having a look at the 1920 US Census
Index.
> Even if you can't access this in Denmark there are lists that have
volunteer
> lookups.
>
> Glen Brunskill, Burlington, Ontario
=====
sept 22, 2002
Hi Glen,
Yes, autumn is here for sure and it is time to stay more indoor and do
more
research.
I do not have the name of Peter´s wife. Max´s wife was Danish and named
Amalie Neble.
Any internet sources concerning the 1920 Census?
Best regards,
Frank Hollinger
I wouldn't Bet on that!
> Lots of child bearing years left here.
> they may be on the 1930 census, but, I don't have index.
> IF they stayed in this county, maybe info there.
> Best Wishes, marie, iowa
=======
FROM GLEN
OK, I will take a look at the 1930 census.
Jan 11, 2004 DAUBER UPDATE
Hi Marie (and list),
Can you please add this to
my Germany page?
While there hasn't been a
lot of activity by our lines directly on
the HOLLINGER s this year,
we have made some significant
progress on identifying our
DAUBER ancestors over the
holiday period. Franz Schneider passed on some
information
and pointed me in the
direction of work done by Willy Knerr
on the DAUBER s. In any case, I have an update of my
FGR for Johann Heinrich
HOLLINGER and Elisabetha
Margaretha DAUBER. They spent most of their married life
in Eichelscheiderhof. As usual this is a work in
progress.
Regards,
Glen Brunskill, Burlington,
Ontario 11 Jan 2004
PS Both Franz and Willy are
descendants of this line (as are Ruth Ann and
Agnes).
FAMILY GROUP RECORD-484
==================================================
HUSBAND Johann Heinrich HOLLINGER-832
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BORN:
PLACE: [Wiesbach],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
CHR.: 13 Jul 1721 PLACE:
Lambsborn,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
DIED: 24 Sep 1793 PLACE:
Eichelscheiderhof (Ba.Homburg),
Bayern, Germany
BUR.:
PLACE: Jagersburg,,Pfalz,Germany
MARR: Abt 27 Jan 1747 PLACE: [Oberohmbach],Pfalz,Bayern,
Germany
FATHER: Samuel HOLLINGER-8960 PARENTS' MRIN: 552
MOTHER: Sara PETER-8961
==================================================
WIFE Elisabetha Margaretha DAUBER-833
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BORN:
PLACE:
CHR.: 15 Nov 1726 PLACE: Oberohmbach
DIED: Aft 24 Sep 1793 PLACE: of
Eichelscheiderhof,Pfalz,Germany
BUR.:
PLACE: Jagersburg,,Pfalz,Germany
FATHER: Abraham DAUBER-40662 PARENTS' MRIN: 14667
MOTHER: Elisabetha Catherine
GROSCLOS-40663
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CHILDREN
==================================================
1. NAME: Heinrich Jakob HOLLINGER-17509
---- BORN: 21 Nov 1749 PLACE: Krottelbacher
Hof
M CHR.: 27 Nov 1749 PLACE:
Krottelbach,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
DIED: 30 Mar
1806 PLACE:
Nohfeldon,Oldenburg,Pfalz,Germany
BUR.:
PLACE:
SPOUSE:
Sophia Christina LOCH-21378 MRIN: 6343
MARR: 16 Aug
1786 PLACE:
Wolfersweiler,Oldenburg,,Germany
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2. NAME: Samuel HOLLINGER-638
---- BORN: 10 Nov 1755 PLACE:
Krottelbach,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
M CHR.:
PLACE:
DIED: 23 May
1831 PLACE:
Obermiesau,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
BUR.:
PLACE:
SPOUSE:
Maria Elizabeth ZIMMER-639 MRIN: 93
MARR: 13 Jun
1786 PLACE:
Oberohmbach,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
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3. NAME: Johannes Niklaus HOLLINGER-17445
---- BORN: 16 Oct 1757 PLACE: Krottelbach,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
M CHR.:
PLACE:
DIED: 19 Jan
1831 PLACE:
Ohmbach,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
BUR.:
PLACE:
SPOUSE:
Katharina Magdalena KOERNER-17451 MRIN: 6325
MARR: 15 Jan
1786 PLACE:
Zwiebruken,,Pfalz,Germany
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4. NAME: Johannes HOLLINGER-17446
---- BORN: 24 Mar 1760 PLACE:
Krottelbacher Hof
M CHR.: 30 Mar 1760 PLACE:
Krottelbach,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
DIED: 22 Oct
1848 PLACE:
Eichelscheiderhof,Pfalz,Bayern
BUR.:
PLACE:
SPOUSE:
Charlotte NEUREUTHER-17496 MRIN: 2844
MARR: 3 Mar 1788 PLACE:
[Waldmohr],Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
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5. NAME: Maria Barbara HOLLINGER-17510
---- BORN: 7 Oct 1762 PLACE:
Krottelbach,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
F CHR.:
PLACE:
DIED: 14 Jan
1843 PLACE:
Herschweiler
BUR.:
PLACE: has
other marriage(s)
SPOUSE:
Jacob ZIMMER-21415
MRIN: 6344
MARR: 18 Feb
1794 PLACE:
Konken,Pfalz,Bayern,Germany
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6. NAME: Juliana Sara Carolina HOLLINGER-17511
---- BORN: 25 Feb 1765 PLACE:
Krottelbacher Hof
F CHR.:
PLACE:
DIED: 3 Sep 1790 PLACE:
Jagersburg
BUR.:
PLACE:
SPOUSE:
Johann Jakob SANDER-22696
MRIN: 6345
MARR: 17 Oct
1780 PLACE: Breitenbach,Pfalz,Bayern
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