HOLLINGER/CUNTZ/ROHLAND/BOLLINGER
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I am seeking the
childern of Johann Jacob HOLLINGER ,a weaver, born ca
1709
Lambsborn OR Wiesbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany,
(He was confirmed in
1724
at Lambsborn Reformed Church )the son of Johann Samuel HOLLINGER,
a
weaver,
and Sara his wife and of Anna Margaretha CUNTZ, dau of Johann Frantz
CUNTZ,
a carpenter, of Waldmohr, Germany - Jacob and Margaretha married
15 Feb
1733 Lambsborn, Reformed KB,Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany.
Jacob and wife left
for America in 1736 with one child. The next time I see them is
as
witnesses to a KILIAN baptism at Trappe (Augustus) Church in Montgomery
County, PA. Who are their children?
I suspect that this HOLLINGER may be
my husband's immigrant HOLLINGER. His immigrant ROLAND/ROHLAND
came from
the Lambsborn parish, and his BOLLINGER immigrant, (not HOLLINGER)
came
from Winterbach, very close by.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
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You are welcome. I have just started to delve into this Jacob
of
Waldmohr/Lambsborn and Wiesbach. (His parents, Johann Samuel HOLLINGER
and
Sara were of Wiesbach. The marriage record for Johann Jacob and
wife Anna
Margaretha CUNTZ took place in Lambsborn and the marriage record
says his
wife is of Waldmohr, Germany.)
>
> WHAT ship did this JACOB HOLLINGER come on ? in 1736
He came on the Harle, which list is on my home page at:
http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy/shipind.htm
However, women are listed on this ship as well (unusual, not the
norm) and
I don't see an Anna Margaretha HOLLINGER, plus his age is given
as 30 and
he was confirmed in 1724 at Lambsborn German Reformed Church,
Rheinland-Pfalz in Lambsborn. Usually they were confirmed
ages 14-16,
thus born about 1709, so should be age 28 in 1736. It is Annette
K.
Burgert, in her book on the Western Palatinate who identifies this
Jacob
as the one who came on the Harle. The fact that the Zweibrucken
records
state that Jacob came from Waldmohr in 1736 with wife and one child
certainly lends credence to this.
One correction, though. Annette has this
Jacob as confirmed at Lambsborn in 1718, but this was another Johann
Jacob
HOLLINGER and he was a Switzer. (from Switzerland) The Johann
Jacob
HOLLINGER who was confirmed in 1724 was specifically a son of Samuel
HOLLINGER, as the record states. I believe but have not proven that
Johann
Samuel (Johann Jacob's father ), may have had two brothers who show
up in
the Lambsborn church. - namely Johann Rudolff HOLLINGER and
Johann
Friederich HOLLINGER. If Johann Friederich is Johann Jacob's brother,
then
his father is Bernhard HOLLINGER from Switzerland, as mentioned
in Johann
Friederich's marriage record of 1722. (He would be a younger brother
of
Johann Samuel, if this is the case.)
> I believe we have another JACOB 1701 that came about this time
- father
of many
> of the LANCASTER CO, PA HOLLINGERS.
I've noticed him in the LDS Ancestral File search. I noted
that there is
a Jacob HOLLINGER who is a weaver in the Lancaster Borough during
the
early 1750s. The above mentioned Johann Jacob HOLLINGER was
a weaver,
which is what interests me especially since this entire side of
my
husband's family (the ROHLANDs) had weavers in every connecting
line!
Someone has told me that they are very clannish and really stuck
together.
>
> WHOEVER connects to this family - SEND copy of FIRST connection
to our
> HOLLINGER group at this address.
My husband's first connection to the HOLLINGER line is a marriage
of
Elizabeth HOLLINGER, born 1816, to Michael ROHLAND, born 1810, in
1836 at
Salem Lutheran Church, Lebanon, PA.
Elizabeth is said to have been from
Berks County. Now, Michael is the
son of Johann Jacob ROHLAND and
Christina FERNSLER and Johann Jacob is the son of Johann Abraham
ROLAND
from the parish of Lambsborn, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany, where this
HOLLINGER family was present. Also, the BOLLINGER (not HOLLINGER)
family
was nearby at Winterbach, and Christian BOLLINGER(father of Maria
Eva who
married Abraham ROLAND) was also a weaver. The HOLLINGER family
was
witness to this BOLLINGER family's baptisms as well! Johann Samuel
was a
weaver, as was Christian BOLLINGER. So, you can see why the interest
in
these families. They certainly knew each other. Oh, there
is another
Jacob HOLLINGER whom Annette mentions in her Western Palatinate
book who
came to America in 1737 on the Virtuous Grace. - another list which
is on
my home page.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
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In 1742, Jacob HOLLINGER and wife, Margretha sponsored a child of
Matthias
KILIAN at Trappe (Augustus)Lutheran Church in Montgomery
County, PA
On the 1750s Lancaster Co. tax lists, Jacob HOLONGER, Lancaster town,
is
listed 1751 and in 1759 listed as a weaver. There is also a Jacob
HOLLINGER, age 40, who came to America on the Virtuous Grace, 1737.
He was
Johann Jacob HOLLINGER, son of Joh. Jacob HOLLINGER of Bou--schville
in
Switzerland, married 23 Jan. 1725, Maria Catherina, daughter of
the late
Hans Nickel HAMM , former forester at Webenheim. (Have no idea if
related
to soccer player or not. :)) This Jacob, according to Annette K.
Burgert,
settled in Lancaster (Warwick Twp.) and his sons in Lebanon
County.
These are now the children of Johann Samuel HOLLINGER and wife Sara,
whom
I gleaned from the Lambsborn parish records, using confirmations
(they
give the father in each case) and deaths, as well as two baptisms
found
there.
*Anna Sara HOLLINGER, born about 1704, died 28 Feb 1718
*Johann Jacob HOLLINGER, born about 1709 (based on confirmation
of 1724),
died unknown, married 15 Sept 1733 Anna Margaretha CUNTZ.
* Johann Samuel HOLLINGER, born about 1710
* Sebastian HOLLINGER, born about Mar 1711, died 5 Sept 1718
* Elisabetha HOLLINGER, born about 1713, died 20 Sept 1718
* Johann Rudolf HOLLINGER, born about 1713
*Veronica HOLLINGER, born about 1716
* Henrich HOLLINGER, born about Mar 1717, died 17 Jun 1720
* Johann Conrad HOLLINGER, born about 1719, chr. 18 June 1719, died
1 May
1720
* Johann Henrich HOLLINGER, born 1721, chr 13 July 1721
In all cases, Samuel the father is always said to be of Wiesbach.
I am currently on the HOLLINGER home page under the Lebanon County
section. I see you have some information from Egle's Notes
and Queries.
I personally have the History of Dauphin and Lebanon Counties by
Egle,
but do not have his many volumed Notes and Queries. I noted the
Jacob
HOLLINGER about whom you shared and I jumped when I saw that his
son
Joseph had a daughter, Eliza, who married a ROLAND, and that this
Joseph
was of Reading Furnace. Now, back then, I am not sure where that
was
exactly, but I do know that Reading is Berks County. Well, the 1836
marriage record for my Elizabeth/Eliza HOLLINGER states that she
is from
Berks County, when she married Michael
ROHLAND at Salem Lutheran in
Lebanon. I am just trying to figure out if Joseph would have had
a
daughter born 1816, as that is when Eliza was born. Does Egle's
Notes
and Queries give any more information on this? I can't help but
wonder,
too, if this Jacob married a second time, if he is the Jacob that
is the
emigrant from Lambsborn/Waldmohr. If he is the Jacob from Waldmohr,
he
came on the ship HARLE in 1736. The other Jacob HOLLINGER
came on the
Virtuous Grace in 1737 with BOLLINGER(yes that's a B, not an H.)
ancestors of my husband's.
Thanks.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
[email protected]
Amelia Elizabeth
Joseph
William
Katy
Adam
Michael
I believe that Adam had a sister Elizabeth, who married Michael ROHLAND
in
1836. (She was born 1816 and she was from Berks County, as per her
marriage record.)
Would like to prove the parents.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
From:
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Dear Glen,
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:46:22 -0400
Wanted to respond briefly - will be better able to answer after July
5.
For now, though, yes, I did get my records from Lambsborn parish
records,
as far as the siblings of Jacob HOLLINGER. (married to Anna Margaretha.
son of Samuel and Sara.) Will post those at latter date - am pressed
for
time at the moment. By the way, I noted that Lambsborn records
put a
feminine ending on even first names, as per German custom . (for
putting
"in" on the end of last names.) Thus, Sara becomes Saren, Maria
becomes
Marien, etc. I obtained my info on the siblings via confirmation
records
and death records. Only found two baptisms - Johann Conrad
and Johann
Heinrich - but the confirmations confirm parentage.
If the Aargu, Switzerland supposition is correct, then this gets
even more
interesting because the BOLLINGER family who intermarried with my
husband's ROLAND/ROHLAND family *was* definitely from Aargu, Switzerland,
and the HOLLINGERs were sponsors for the BOLLINGER family in the
Winterbach parish records - very close to Lambsborn. I have baptismal
records for the immigrant BOLLINGER and his family from Schlossrued,
Aargu, Switzerland, thanks to someone who went to Switzerland -
I don't
think they have been filmed yet by the LDS - could be wrong on that
last
one. This could mean that the ROLAND family came from there
as well. I
will need to check LDS records on microfilm - to see if they have
caught
up. Since they were all weavers - HOLLINGER, BOLLINGER and
ROLAND/ROHLAND
families, there is very good likelihood. The weavers really stuck
together
- almost clannish.
Well, am feeling much better, thanks for asking. Am glad we made
contact
as well.
Donna Ristenbatt
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> I am afraid that I haven't got as far as translating the actual
records
in
> Lambsborn. I got my information on Johann Henrich and Johann
Conrad
from
> the IGI as I indicated in the FGR. At the moment my investigations,
when
> it comes to translation, are stuck back in late 18th Century
> Eichelscheiderhof. Johann Henrich's death note of
1793 gives his age
and
> indicates that he is of Wiesbach. Lambsborn is the Parish
and when I
went
> looking there I found the 1721 Chr. record for Johann Henrich
giving his
> parents as Samuel and Saren. Johann Conrad's parents are
also given as
> Samuel and Saren in his 1719 Chr. There are a fair
number of
HOLLINGERs
> in the Lambsborn area but not enough that I don't think that Johann
Henrich
> is my line. All (I think) of the HOLLINGERs are reported
as having come
to
> the Pfalz from the Aargau area in Switzerland.
>
> At the moment I have only one descendant of Johann Henrich (b
1721) but
I
> expect that there are more. The one is Samuel HOLLINGER (b 1753-
died
1831
> Obermiesau). I haven't found any records of HOLLINGERs in
> Eichelscheiderhof before 1756 and so I have assumed that Samuel
is
likely
> born in Wiesbach. The place to search will be Lambsborn
but I haven't
got
> that far yet .
>
> For translations I am very lucky in that my step brother-in-law
was born
> and educated in Germany and is able to read the Gothic script.
His
elder
> sister is even better at it as she does a fair bit of genealogy
but she
> lives in Germany so I only get to hit on her when she is over
to Toronto
> for a visit.. My translations are limited to using the LDS
crib sheets
on
> Gothic script.
>
> Where did you find the records on the siblings of Johann Henrich?
In
> Lambsborn?
>
> As for the dates and places on Samuel and Sara I am afraid that
those
were
> my best guesses.
> My convention for places in my data base is that if I haven't
anything
> better to go on I assume that the person was born or died in the
first
or
> last place I have found a primary type record.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
http://www.netins.net/showcase/sellerfamily/hollypaleban.htm
There I found that a Jacob HOLLINGER died in 1781 or'82 in Lebanon
County,
PA. This family group, taken from Egle's Notes and Queries, mentions
a son
Joseph, who had a daughter Eliza who married a ______ ROLAND. Since
my
husband's ancestor is Michael ROHLAND who married Eliza/Elizabeth
HOLLINGER, this entry obviously interested me. In the marriage
record for
Michael and Eliza in 1836, she is said to be from Berks County.
Today I was looking at church records for Christ Lutheran Church
(Stouchburg), Berks County, PA and there was a marriage for a Joseph
HOLLINGER and Anne GIESY on 18 March 1804. This Joseph died
on 8 Oct.
1824, aged 46.2.0, thus born ca 1778. Is this possibly the
son of the
above Jacob HOLLINGER? If so, does anyone have the family group
record for
this Joseph and Anne GIESY HOLLINGER?
There was also a marriage for a Jacob HOLLINGER and Barbara ZARTMANN
on 25
Sept. 1806, and a death of a baby Joseph HOLLINGER, who died 3 Nov.
1821,
age 10 months, 2 days.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
From:
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To:
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I recently obtained the Henry Kline Hollinger booklet, and since
I had
posted a few months back about Jacob HOLLINGER from Lambsborn, son
of
Samuel and Sara HOLLINGER, I thought I would post what HKH has to
say
about this Jacob. (It's looking more and more like my husband descends
from the Hans Jacob and Anna Elisabeth Esterli) If anyone knows
the
current names of some of the Lancaster churches referred to in last
paragraph, please let me know. Thanks.
"Jacob HOLLIGER/HOLINGER/HOLLINGER/ was born, or baptized 15th Dec.
1705/we assume this a Bible recording given by his second wife and
written
into the Reformed church book at Lancaster. Born in former
Berner
Gebiet/subsequently, Aargau; perhaps Leutvil or Gontenschwyl,
near
Boniswyl; Hans Jacob and wife Maria Margaretha Leibrock, before
finally
settling in Einod in Zweybrucken, had son Benedikt 1713 who was
Leinenweber & likely our Jacob had also learned the trade. [Donna
note:
Apparently in these last sentences, HKH is speaking of Jacob's
parentage?]
While sisters and brothers settled in Ernstweiler, Jacob moved on
to
thriving Waldmohr, married Anna Margaretha (dr of Meister Zimmermann,
or
Master Carpenter,) Frans KUNTZ and Elisabetha KIRSCH, whose family
also
came to America/in 19th century/many of our folk thought they descended
from Jacob/ I historify him briefly.
He arrived in Philadelphia 1st Sept. 1736 on the ship Harle/with
brother-in-law Jacob KUNTZ. A confusing record at Oberamt 1737 mentions
a
Jacob HOLLINGER going to America with wife and child. However, no
wife or
child are found on the detailed ship list. [Donna note: Annette
K.
Burgert has this date as 1736.] He spelled his name HOLINGER,
later
remaining HOLLINGER- Jacob- Swiss spelling. He settled in Lancaster
boro;
his relative Matthias KILIAN and wife had son baptized 22nd April
1742 at
Augustus Evang. Lutheran church, Trappe in present day Montgomery
County;;
sponsors: Jacob and his wife/ In these days appeared a Stephen HOLLINGER,
weaver - whom we cannot place./ By 1747 Jacob had acquired a lot.
Sower's
Hoch Deutsch Bericht says: es 1st gestohlen worden ohnefer 8 tage
vor der
Faal Faar ( fall fair) 1744 ein eisgrau Pferd von Christian HEYER.,
to be
rewarded, finder should apply to Jacob. In 1750 a Switzer
died, Casper
PERSINGER died; Jacob was a co-executor but did not endorse probate.
Casper was dyer, and Jacob likely learned the art from him.
In 1754,
Jacob was lot owner and trustee of the Reformed Church/ we find
him not
in
any communion list/ In 1761, Sowers announced: Jacob HOLLINGER,
adjoining
Lutheran Church (now Trinity) has gone in dyeing business. Also,
he was
now dealing in real estate and loaning money with Franz K -
In 1768, Margaret's parents had died, and his own brothers and sisters
were plotting to become sole heirs. He engaged relative
Michael KELLER
(going to Germany) to collect monies due him. Power of Atttorney
has
recently turned up in Germany. Margaret died 10th April 1769, he
remarried
soon after, 21st May to Anna Elisabeth BOHL, Lutheran, to whom 24th
Dec.
1770 was born son Jacob- He had Casper SCHAEFFER draw up new will
in
English; he cut off 1st wife's family, also his own folk; leaving
all to
Elizabeth... whether his son survived is not known. No such evidence
is
found and no further record stands. Elizabeth buried Jacob beside
his 1st
wife in Reformed Yard/ the Lutherans permitted none but communicants
buried in their cemetery - as was she later. In 19th century, the
Reformed
cemetery was ploughed up and bodies removed. Thus, tradition is
fulfilled;
that he has slept in 2 or 3 graves. For even the 2nd burial
place has
been dug up/ no record of his last sleeping place is found - nor
that of
his 1st wife. His 2nd wife, Anna Elizabeth BOHL, born ? July 1719,
died
8th April 1795/slept in the Lutheran Yard till the 1950s when the
Church
dug up this cemetery; her stone is not found embedded in brick walls
like
others. thus have 3 Jacobs or perhaps 4 Jacobs been mythologized
as but
one fabulous pioneer and ancestor." published 1959.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
I saw the Switz christenings - that is great. I know that the LDS
Church
has not microfilmed the Canton Aargau records, but have they filmed
the
other Cantons? If this is the case, I assume that Henry Kline Hollinger
and others, are getting these baptisms from those who do research
in
Switzerland?
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
Today I received the administrative papers for Joseph HOLLINGER of
Heidelberg Twp. ,Berks County, PA. According to HKH, Joseph was
the son
of
Jacob HOLLINGER (born 29 Nov. 1726) and Barbara STEINWEG. HKH also
states
that John SHAY was involved in the administration of Joseph's 1824
estate.
I did not see a John SHAY mentioned in the file, only Leonard KEHL,
the
administrator of his estate. These papers seem to confirm, though,
what
Egle states in his Note and Queries, namely that Joseph had a daughter,
Eliza, married to ______ROLAND. My original post asked who the parents
were of Elizabeth/Eliza HOLLINGER married to Michael ROHLAND in
1836,
Salem Lutheran, Lebanon, PA. Michael was from So. Lebanon Twp. and
Eliza
was from Berks County.
After researching, I am reasonbly certain that the above Eliza was
the
daughter of Joseph. In his estate papers, his widow, Nancy (HKH
has wife,
Anna, but Ann is a nickname for Nancy) petitions the court for
guardianship of 3 of Joseph's *four* children, the 3 being under
14.
(Apparently the 4th one was over 14 years.) These minor children
are
given
in birth order - Barbara, Eliza and Adam.
When I have researched the various US Federal Population Censuses,
1850,
1860 and 1870, Eliza/Elizabeth HOLLINGER and her husband,
Michael
ROHLAND, were always living right next door to Adam HOLLINGER and
his
wife, Eliza. So, I feel reasonably certain that Eliza/Elizabeth
was the
daughter of Joseph HOLLINGER and wife, Anne/Nancy GIESY. Joseph
is given
as a blacksmith in these estate papers.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
[email protected]
From:
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I realized with my last post that I should have given some additional
info
on Joseph HOLLINGER, son of Jacob HOLLINGER and Barbara STEINWEG.
He
died, according to Christ Lutheran Church records (Stouchsburg,
Marion
Twp., Berks County, PA) on 8 Oct. 1824 and his age at death computes
to
an
8 Aug 1778 birth date. He married Anna GIESY on 1 March 1804 at
Christ
Lutheran, same church. (HKH has that Joseph had a first wife, namely
Maria
Barbara - do not know where he obtained this info.) Children by
Anna/Anne/Nancy include Barbara; Eliza/Elizabeth, born 14
May 1816 and
married to Michael ROHLAND; Joseph, born ca 1 Jan 1821 and
died Nov.
1821; and Adam HOLLINGER, born ca 1824 (the year that Joseph died)
and he
was married to Eliza -?-.
Michael ROHLAND and Eliza HOLLINGER had a son John Jacob ROHLAND
born
1838
and a daughter, Christina who died young. Adam HOLLINGER and
wife, Eliza
had: Amelia Elizabeth; Joseph; William; Katy; Adam and Michael.
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt
[email protected]
Will Post on our Berks Co, PA page
But, kinda like info above - confirm/explain, etc - THANKS for sharing,
marie,
iowa
HKH in his HOLLINGER genealogy has this Joseph as the son of Jacob
(born
1726) HOLLINGER and Anna Barbara STEINWEG. He may have been Johann
Joseph,
but I am not sure. Three records for him show up in Stouchsburg
's Christ
Lutheran Church, which is in Marion Twp., Berks
Co., PA. (right next door
to Heidelberg twp.) These records are his 1804 marriage to Anna
GIESY,
the
death of a son, Joseph, (infant) in 1821 and the death of Joseph
himself,
in 1824, which tends to confirm the Intestate date, that this is
the same
Joseph. I would like to find out how HKH got a first wife
for Joseph -
where he found the records.
Just a little research tip for others. In later years, there was
what one
calls Petition for Probate. (in PA) My husband's gg grandfather
died
without a will, and when I checked the estate index, there was a
Petition
for this ancestor. Well, the petition lists all the children! One
of his
brothers wrote a will, but did not mention *his* children, so this
was
better than a will in this case!
Regards,
Donna Ristenbatt