General information

I noticed Kit 17482 on the Surname Project list. They are the first
to order the full 37 marker test. I am kit 368.

Looking at the information provided, they trace the line back to a
Thomas Alexander Rutledge born about 1874. No location information
is given.for Thomas.

In my data collection I have a Thomas A Rutledge who is descended
from Irvin A Rutledge of Stokes Co., NC. Irvin was the brother to my
G Grandfather.

We have a match of 24/25 markers, and I know we match on another 3
markers as well. I have ordered the upgrade to the 37 marker test
for myself.

I think there is a strong possibility that Thomas Alexander Rutledge
is in my line. If we match on most of the 37 markers, connecting
back through Johnson Rutledge, the father of James William and Irvin
Rutledge, Thomas could be my first cousin twice removed.

Will whoever submitted this sample let me know if they have
researched any NC connections?

Larry
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- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

I can't do the test because I am from the female line. My only hope is that a Rutledge known by other documentation to be of the Stephen Rutledge of Tennessee line will be tested. Then other Rutledge's can be connected.

We'll try to collect relevant email messages and post them here. If you have an update for this page, please send it in and I'll post it to this website.

Linda,

You have an excellent point about Peter. You see two kits that go back
to Peter b 1790. Kit 3781 for Noah Rutledge and 24555 submitted by Kirk
Rutledge. A third submitted by David Rutledge Kit 32473 goes back to A
William Rutledge b 1792. We have all looked at the time of Peters birth
and tried to resolve it in terms of Matilda's age.

Your ancestor must be related to David's Kit 32473. He spent a lot of
time trying to determine if there is another generation there.

You mention a Matilda listed as head of household in TN in 1820. Do you
think this is William Sr's wife Matilda. My notes say that Matilda King
probably died before 1806 because "Matilda owned the Plantation while she
remained living. Elijah sold it in 1806, so Matilda had probably died by
then". Can you tell me where to look for your Matilda?

I don't think we can rule anything OUT at this point. Noah's Peter could
have been a different generation easily. I'll try to find some old
notes to refresh my memory about your line.

Larry

On 8 Apr 2006 at 14:08, [email protected] wrote:

>
> Larry
> I just went to take a look at it, not that it means a whole lot! I looked
> at Group 1, Peter Rutledge b abt 1790 d bef 1860 Washington Co., VA. At
> the bottom of his family group sheet was the comment, "Pretty sure that
> William Rutledge, Sr. of Stokes Co., North Carolina. is Peter's Dad." I
> was under the impression William's children were b 1750's through 1780's.
>
> My ancestor married Matilda BRANHAM and their son William RUTLEDGE who m
> Leah HARRIS was linked to William Sr. through DNA last year, so while I
> don't think we know my ancestor is the son of William Sr. (could be
> grandson, nephew, etc.), they are from the same family.
>
> Some paperwork exists that indicates my ancestor could have been named
> Peter and was probably deceased by 1820 since Matilda was enumerated as
> head of household in TN that year.
>
> I guess I'm just sort of wondering out loud (and via e-mail) if my
> ancestor was Peter, could he have left his family rather than died? Could
> the Peter on the DNA website be William's grandson? Any coments greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Lynda Leeds

- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

Hi Jan..

Welcome to Group One folks... I'm kit number 4495 in that group, so it looks like you'll have to claim kinship to at least two renegades of the Rutledge clan... me and Ron in the Woods..;)

Your DNA info could be an interesting turn of events re: my search to find which line some Oregon Rutledges are linked to... they settled near Albany sometime prior to 1910.. Recall, we were looking at them when you found the photo marked "Albany, Oregon" on one of you family lines... then learned it was most likely taken in California... but... I've since learned that the George Rutledge we were looking at actually first migrated to California, and then on to Oregon...

George Rutledge was born in Ohio in 1841. Both of his parents, according to census records, were born in PA. He married Sarah Ann Kay on Jan 9, 1864 in Hillsdale County, MI. They migrated to California, but I'm not sure where... they then moved into Humbolt County, CA. Later, they migrated north to Oregon, settling near Albany, OR... So I'm curious to look again at your George Rutledge... maybe these are you kin after all.... This George has a link back to PA, as do many of us in Group One...

Anyway... good to have you in our family line... John Rutledge in Oregon

On 7 Apr 2005 at 21:31, Ron Rutledge wrote:

> I can't even remember what John David's site was called
> except the it was something Rutledge or Rutledge something.

Ron,

John David Rutledge's sit is at https://sites.rootsweb.com/~rutledge/
Called the "Rutledge Family Association"

I noticed that John must have recently upgraded his DNA test to 37
markers, because all the results have not came back from the lab.

His kit, number 4487, is an exact 25/25 match with kit number 23483.

Larry-
- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

I've been looking at the DNA project a little and I need to be sure
I'm not making a mistake about these kits. All these kits share an
Joseph Sr as an ancestor according to the genealogy if I am reading
it right.

Kit 11869 would have to have 2 separate 1 step mutation from Joseph
Sr, if I am reading it right? 4525 is only 12 markers, so it cannot
tell me if the mutations happened. after Joseph Jr., in a later
generation or not.

Am I reading it right, or am I mixing up the Josephs?

Larry
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- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

Hello Everyone

I am fairly convinced that the Joseph Rutledge of Prince Edward Co.,
Virginia, and husband of Ann Atwood is the same Joseph Rutledge that
married Nancy Harden in Columbia Co., Georgia. I was hoping someone
could
give me a second opinion. Here is what I have so far.

DNA testing of descendants of Joseph, husband of Nancy, shows a
close link
to the Virginia Rutledges.

Both Josephs are said to be born about 1772. Joseph, husband of
Nancy was
born on Oct. 6, 1771.

On 21 Feb 2005 at 17:50, [email protected] wrote:

I am descended from this
line and therefore got a double dose of Rutledge blood.

Robert,

It appears that your "double dose" of Rutledge blood is from the
Rutledges of South Carolina who signed the Constitution and
Declaration of Independence.

The Rutledge DNA project has been seeking a Male Rutledge descendant
in that line in order to determine if any of the other lines are
connected to that one.

The DNA uses Y chromosome data, so a qualified subject would have to
be a direct male descendant, directly through the Rutledge males. It
appears that your surname is not Rutledge. If that is true, would
you know someone in your family that might qualify?

Larry Rutledge

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- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

==== RUTLEDGE Mailing List ====
Check out the Rutledge Family Association page https://sites.rootsweb.com/~rutledge/ and the Rutledge Brick Wall page at
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~donkelly/index.htm

On 8 Jan 2005 at 6:05, robert perry wrote:

Which DNA group am I in?
And who of you am I connected too?

George (b. abt 1690 in Scotland)
   + Nellie Gamble
Thomas (d. Oct. 10, 1785 in Augusta Co., VA.)
    + Jean Armstrong (b. in Tyrone Co., IRE)
George (b. Feb. 3, 1744/45 in Roanoke, Roanoke Co., VA
    + Elizabeth Brown

Thanks,
Robert Perry

Robert,

Mike has the DNA Surname Project Web Site at

http://home.comcast.net/~rutledgedna/

If you had your DNA Tested, you can find the kit number there, and
hopefully get an idea of what line you are in.

I've seen the Jean Armstrong connection mentioned on the list before
I believe.

Larry

-
- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

Ok Sargent, I think I have something for you!!!! I've been digging thru
some notes from a friend of mine, and I have connected him to your line.
Doesn't do me much good, but if I ever find the connection between him &
I, then I know that you and I connect.

I had been working on trying to see if he & I were related for several
years now, as his family came from the Knox Co., area and he and my
father looked so much alike, that I felt like there must be some
connection. Anyway, tonight I believe that I have connected him to you.
Here's what I have:

John Henry Rutledge 12/20/1826 TN- 1875, IL m. 9 Nov 1848 Celia Ann
Reneau b ca 1828 in TN.
Their children:
1. Cyrus Beecher Rutledge b. 03/28/1849 IL
2. Derius Rutledge b. 12/19/1850 IL
3. Frank Rutledge b. ca 1852 IL
4. Sarah Jane Rutledge b. 03/30/1854 IL
5. Angeline Rutledge b. 06/1856 IL
6. Emeline Rutledge b. ca 1858 IL
7. John Rutledge b. 02/1860

John Henry Rutledge m. 2nd. Elizabeth Jane Barthlow 01/12/1865 IL b.
12/13/1841 in Ohio
Their children:
1. Franklin Perrin Rutledge b 04/19/1867 IL - 10/31/1903 IL
2. Laura Belle Rutledge b. 05/1869 IL

My friend is the great-grandson of Franklin Perrin Rutledge. He lives
here in IL. I can't post all of his line here as I don't know for sure
who is living and who isn't. Franklin m. Belle Ewing 05/04/1893 in IL.
She was born 11/1869 in IL.
Franklin & Belle were the parents of:
1. George Rutledge
2. Hazel Rutledge
3. Wilbur Rutledge
4. Glen Rutledge
5. Ralph Rutledge (grandfather of my friend)

Let me hear from you and what you think about this. Jan

[email protected] wrote:

Hi Jan,
I think we should see if we can find even one common ancestor or lateral kin.
I would like to find the wife and parents of John H. Rutledge. We thought we
could do it by finding a John H. with children with the same names. One
researcher has a John H. born in TN with children Frank, Angeline, Sara, and Druys,
but it doesn't seem to pan out. Her John H. died before 1871. Also, on one of
the US census reports, Derius (he was always called Dee) claims his father was
born in PA, then in another census he claims his father was born in VA (or
was that the census taker making a mistake?) Do you have a John H. and if so
what are his children's names?
Sargent

Larry,
Are you talking to me Richard Armstrong Rutledge. If you are, I thought
my results did not make sense. Even though my mother and father were born
in Scotland. So do you think they make sense now. Larry it is time to
think spring as I got my first seed catalog.
Although we got 18 inches of snow on the ground.( Fraser Michigan)
Cheerio
Richard

[email protected]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:53:45 -0600 "Larry Rutledge"
<[email protected] writes:
Richard,

Your DNA results make me wonder if perhaps the lab did not make an
error.

They will check them again for you if you ask. It is not too much
trouble for them to do so.

You can request this by sending a note to [email protected],
and
be sure to identify yourself and give your kit number 5137.

Let me know if you do have them check it.

Larry

-
- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

Thanks for getting my info onto the List... I see I'm a closer match to Josuha Carl Rutledge, but his family data info is sparse.. it'll be interesting to see more detail on where his family is from... do either of you have an email addres for him? The only common state for family between the two of us that I see in the data listed is AR.. but its interesting that Ron Rutledge (Ron in the Woods) and I are exact matches thru the 25 marker test, and Ron has tons of connections to OK, the other state Josuha mentions.... Ron only took the 25 marker test... it would be interesting to see if he took the add'l marker test if it would show the mutation that Joshua and I share.. if so, it might indicate a very probably tie for Josuha to Ron's line, which departs from mine with Joseph Rutledge Sr. of KY.. Ron's ancestor is Joesph Rutledge Jr, a brother to my John Rutledge of Clark Co KY...

Hi Sargent.... maybe we need to compare some more notes here... my dad
was born in Galesburg, Knox Co. in 1929. His family is all from that
area, and I still have family there. Do we have a connection here that
we haven't uncovered?

Jan Rutledge Roggy from IL

[email protected] wrote:

My DNA 25 results are in now. My kit is 28349 which puts my family in Group
R1. I had written a month ago that our brickwall was in Abbeville, SC. I'm
sorry, but that may not be so. My nephew and I divided up the family. He took the
Rutledge line because my sister wanted him to. I took our mother's side, which
oddly enough turned out, in part, to have been done by several professional
genealogist who traced one direct line to 1003 to the King MacBeth of the
Shakespeare plays. The first wife of Davy Crockett, Polly Finley, turned out to be
our ggggrand father's niece. You never know what you'll find. However, the
Rutledge line is mostly unproven and so I will give the parts that are proven. It
seems we are another of the ever-confusing Illinois Rutledges.
In May of 1871, a John H. Rutledge, signed an affidavit granting permission
for his minor son Derius Rutledge to marry a widow, Susan (ne. Johnson) Leppo
in McDonough County, IL. Susan was born in PA. They did in fact marry in IL,
July 2, 1871. Derius' death certificate has him born Dec. 19, 1850. Died. May
19, 1931 at the home of his daughter Jennie Slater in Omaha, NE. Derius'
mother's name is Mary (illegible). His father is listed as "Darius" which is, of
course, a misreading of the question on the form.
Derius had two sisters.
      Sadie (probably Sarah)
      Angie (probably Angiline)
There may have been other siblings. We don't know.
      Derius and Susan had four children and also had Wallace Leppo, Susan's
son, living with them in Rockcreek, Hancock County, IL in 1880 according to
the US Census.

      1. Son: Admiral Cyrus b. Aug. 22, 1872, Evanston, IL
      2. Son: Harrison G. b. ?
      3. Son: Charles Samuel b. Sept. l, 1876, Galesburg, Knox, IL (Our
Grandfather)
      4. Dau: Jennie b. May 9, 1880, IL

We have some marriage and issue information on Admiral (called Amy), and
Jennie, a lot on Grandfather Charles, and nothing on Harrison.
If anyone would like more information moving forward into the 20-th Cen., I
would be happy to correspond.
My DNA info is under my legal name: Kenneth Keith Rutledge. I use Sargent on
this site because I needed to come up with a different AOL name and was
happy, and lucky as Sergeant Rutledge in the Air Force, and because John Singer
Sargent is one of my favorite painters.

sargentrutledge@aol .com

My DNA 25 results are in now. My kit is 28349 which puts my family in Group
R1. I had written a month ago that our brickwall was in Abbeville, SC. I'm
sorry, but that may not be so. My nephew and I divided up the family. He took the
Rutledge line because my sister wanted him to. I took our mother's side, which
oddly enough turned out, in part, to have been done by several professional
genealogist who traced one direct line to 1003 to the King MacBeth of the
Shakespeare plays. The first wife of Davy Crockett, Polly Finley, turned out to be
our ggggrand father's niece. You never know what you'll find. However, the
Rutledge line is mostly unproven and so I will give the parts that are proven. It
seems we are another of the ever-confusing Illinois Rutledges.
In May of 1871, a John H. Rutledge, signed an affidavit granting permission
for his minor son Derius Rutledge to marry a widow, Susan (ne. Johnson) Leppo
in McDonough County, IL. Susan was born in PA. They did in fact marry in IL,
July 2, 1871. Derius' death certificate has him born Dec. 19, 1850. Died. May
19, 1931 at the home of his daughter Jennie Slater in Omaha, NE. Derius'
mother's name is Mary (illegible). His father is listed as "Darius" which is, of
course, a misreading of the question on the form.
Derius had two sisters.
      Sadie (probably Sarah)
      Angie (probably Angiline)
There may have been other siblings. We don't know.
      Derius and Susan had four children and also had Wallace Leppo, Susan's
son, living with them in Rockcreek, Hancock County, IL in 1880 according to
the US Census.

      1. Son: Admiral Cyrus b. Aug. 22, 1872, Evanston, IL
      2. Son: Harrison G. b. ?
      3. Son: Charles Samuel b. Sept. l, 1876, Galesburg, Knox, IL (Our
Grandfather)
      4. Dau: Jennie b. May 9, 1880, IL

We have some marriage and issue information on Admiral (called Amy), and
Jennie, a lot on Grandfather Charles, and nothing on Harrison.
If anyone would like more information moving forward into the 20-th Cen., I
would be happy to correspond.
My DNA info is under my legal name: Kenneth Keith Rutledge. I use Sargent on
this site because I needed to come up with a different AOL name and was
happy, and lucky as Sergeant Rutledge in the Air Force, and because John Singer
Sargent is one of my favorite painters.

sargentrutledge@aol .com

Jack,

I received my notice that we have a -1 out of 37 match on the DNA
tests.

Since we were -1 out of 25 before you took the enhanced test, I guess
that means that your markers 26 - 37 are an exact match to mine.

If you go to your page at FTDNA, and look at the Y-DNA match page,
you will find an icon at the right side of each person who matches
you. This icon invokes FTDNA's new analysis tool that helps estimate
the time to the Most Recent Common Ancestor. It is very
interesting, and you can change options to refine it a bit. (This
tool should be available for everyone who took the Y test).

We need to talk about your William Rutledge in Illinois. I've posted
research notes (from Robert Wright) here before about the sons of my
William Rutledge of Stokes County who moved to Giles, Co., TN and on
to IL.

Larry

-
- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

On 21 Jan 2005 at 9:07, John and Carole Rutledge wrote:

Hi Larry...

I received my add'l marker DNA test results this morning. The add'l
marker values are: 12 11 19 21 15 16 17 17 37 38 12 12

From the info listed on the Don Kelly site,my new info varies from
the data listed for you in two markers; for Kenneth, two markers;
and for Josuha, one marker.

I'd like to update the Rutledge Kelly Family Site data, but I'm not
sure how to do it... do I send to Don Kelly, you..? Suggestions
appreciated... John Rutledge in Oregon

John,

I have copying this message to Mike who maintains the Rutledge
Project Page at http://home.comcast.net/~rutledgedna/
and to Don Kelly.

The DNA results are interesting. Your different mutations from
other descendants of Isaac in particular. I really need to try and
organize all my notes better.

I feel like we are close to making a discovery of some sort, but it
seems like it is just out of reach.

Larry

-
- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

Don, here are the rest of them that I have stored in this (my new) computer. I will have to send the rest of them from my old computer as I have not moved all my folders to the new one yet. I will send them a little later. This should keep you busy for a little while. Anita, It sounds like the connection does go back to the elusive Jackson Middleton Rutledge. And actually you know about as much as we do.

I haven't been able to find a trace of the rascal and neither has anyone else I know of. I've been wondering if his name got scrambled in that SC Rutledge Kith and Kin book where he is listed. His wife is guessed to be the Sarah Rutledge listed as living next to Thomas Rutledge in one of the Hawkins' CO. TN census (1830 or 1840) I can't remember.

Thomas Rutledge (according to census) was born in VA in 1803. So we could be dealing with Jackson Middleton Rutledge being an older brother and David Weldon Rutledge a younger though that does kill the theory that Edward (the signer) Rutledge was Jackson's father. Don't we have a descendent of John Rutledge (Edward's brother) on this list?

Anyone know if he has done the DNA bit. It would solve the mystery of if we are descended from those brothers. I'm fascinated that we're connected. I just can't figure out where. It goes past both our brick walls. Maybe with prayer and luck - we'll hit a chink in our walls somewhere.

Julie Hi Cousin Julie, I know we are related somewhere down the Rutledge line, because DNA doesn't lie. This is why we went to the DNA testing route, is because we were at a stand-still and we believe it is the only way we are going to break down the brick wall we are against.

So happy to hear from you, we are so excited to know that we have a lead to find new cousins.

We are going to have to go back farther than Stephen W. Rutledge, to join our Rutledge family together. Stephen was born around 1833 and our David was born around 1790 in N.C.(can only go by date in 1850 Rutherford Co., Tn. census). David married Angeline Williamson on the 4 th. of July 1816 in Rutherford Co., Tn. This is the first record we can find with his name on it. He died in Gibson Co., Tn. the 29 May 1844. They had 15 children and raised 13 of them. They are: Coleman, Monroe (our GGrandfather), Angeline, Martha, Susan, James, Nancy, David, Beverly, Benjamin, Robert, Samuel, Ary and 2 unnnamed babies.

Since our David and Jackson Middleton Rutledge were born within two years of each other, it could be they were either brothers or cousins. I don't have the information of where Jackson Middleton was born or died.

All I have on him is the year he was born (1777) and was married to Sarah Lucy Singleton. And had three children, Lorenco Dow, Emanuel and Thomas.

Our Grandfather John Joel Rutledge (Grandson of David) told his children what his parents had told him, "In the beginning there were 7 Rutledge brothers who came from the border of England and Ireland and landed in N.Y. and they scattered out into the Eastern States". Grandpa also told his kids, when the Rutledges lived in Tn., "Anytime or anywhere you met another person named Rutledge, they were kinfolks". Another thing that was handed down from generation to generation in our Rutledge family, is we are related to the signers of, "The Decoration of Independence", and "The Constitution", and also related to Ann Rutledge, who was the sweetheart of Abe Lincoln.

We have believed all of this to be true, because we don't believe our Grandfathers would be telling their Children and Grandchildren this otherwise. Back in the older days, story telling was the only way parents and grandparents could pass on their family history.

Each one of them would tell their Children and Grandchildren about their life and their Grandparents life as far back and they knew. Most of the people back before the 1900's never had the chance to get an education, so most of them couldn't read or write down their family history, they could only pass it down to their chidren by telling them as much as they could remember about their life.

If you have any more info on Jackson Middleton Rutledge, I would like to know. And too, I don't have much on some of John B. Rutleldge's children. I don't have anything on Eliza, Olive, Oritha, Rosa or Nancy. I notice they have some of the same names as our Rutledge's do. Let's keep in touch. Thanks again for the information and so happy to have found a new cousin. ~Anita

Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:21 AM To: Anita Rutledge Cc: [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: DNA match Hello Cousin! I will be happy to share! But the best source for our branch is Kathye Hyde or Don Kelly. Kathye is a 2nd cousin, Don a third. I suggest you post to the list and we'll find you.

I'm so excited! My branch goes back to Missouri and before that Tennesssee. Before that we don't know. Go to the Rutledge family page and click on Kathye Hyde's file that will give you details or I can email you. I will do whatever works best. Good Luck! Julie

Hi Julie, My husband "Robert John Rutledge" has a perfect 12 Marker DNA match with your Dad "Cecil Morgan Rutledge". I would love to exchange information with you and try to find where our Rutledge family connects. We have been at a brick wall for years with our GGGranfather David Weldon Rutledge. Please contact me. ~Anita

Apparently Julie's got a problem with her email address on our subscriber list. Here is her new address. I'll get it added to the accept list so she can post to the list by herself. Julie, congratulations on a "new" cousin!!! And I guess I should congratulate myself as well, huh? I look forward to comparing family stories. Maybe that brick wall will spring a leak somewhere. Kathye

What is the website where the Rutledges DNA'a are shown? I'm dying to look at it. Also are there any other descendants of Stephen W. Rutledge (Thomas Rutledge) who have done the DNA? Kathye and Don, I hope this helps your research as well. Both of you have been very helpful to me. Without you I would never have gotten past my Greatgrandfather John B. Rutledge (Stephen's son). If I have never before said so, Thanks. I am so excited! Julie Rutledge Bates

Don, here are a few of the DNA Messages that I had saved. I have remdoved all the headers, footers and non essentials from the messages so that you can just cut and paste them in. Ron, in the woods [email protected]

From: "Katheryn Hyde" To: Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [RUTLEDGE] 12-for-12 DNA Match Julie, I noticed the American Indian connection also. That is easily explained by the fact that Mary Massey was 1/4-1/2 Cherokee. Her mother is a complete mystery, while her father, Richard Massey, has been traced back several generations prior to the Revolutionary War. It is interesting that that subgroup (whatever it's called) of Q3 is ONLY found in those with Indian ancestry. I was under the impression that tracing the mother's line required a different sort of test altogether, though. It's interesting that the MALE side showed the Indian link. Hmmmmm. Maybe that's why we have such a hard time with our lines..... Kathye Hyde

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 2:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RUTLEDGE] 12-for-12 DNA Match Hi Kermit, I didn't read what Anita wrote (or don't remember if I did) but I think what it is supposed to be is with a 12 for 12 match (as Anita's husband and my dad have) means there is a 99.9% chance of a (MDCA) within 15 generations and neither one of us has gotten that far back. I'm still hopin' though and I'm delighted to claim her as family. I'll share the link for my report on Dad's DNA when I get one. They had my email wrong for some reason. Interesting that they seemed to pick up on the fact we are a mix of native american and european if I interpet the readings right (And I am decidly unscientific!) Good to hear from you, Julie Rutledge Bates

Hope this comes through. Thought some of you would enjoy seeing the DNA testing match between Robert and Cecil Rutledge. Thanks to all of you Ron, Cyndi and Kathye, who helped me located Julie, Now, we will have to try to find where our Rutledge's connects. I have been told when you have a perfect 12 marker DNA match, that means you are 99.9 percent related within the last 5 generations. That probably means we should connect our Rutledge line with either Davids parents and siblings or his Grandparents and their siblings. ~Anita

From: To: Subject: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test Match 12 for 12 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:57:40 -0500 You have a match! An exact match has been found between you and another person(s) in the Family Tree DNA database. You and the other person(s) have matched in all loci, which means that there is a 99.9% likelihood that you have a common ancestor. There is a 50% likelihood that the common ancestor is within the last 14.5 generations and 90% within the last 48 generations. If you and your match share a "prior" item of knowledge, such as a common surname, then a recent (within 14.5 generations) common ancestor is fairly likely. If not, then the common ancestor is probably closer to the 48 generations. The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there you can see a list of your matches. Newer matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins." Family Tree.

Edward III, Norman King, The Confessor, builder of Westminster Abbey. There is intermittent suggestions that our Rutledge/Routledge of Borders fame were Norman, bolstered by occasional finding of the name deRoutledge, which is clearly of Franco/Norman, possibly Dane, origin. Now to our Massey guy. No wonder we have so much mean blood. The persistent story is that Masseys of England were Quakers. As Quakers they were pretty close to Oliver Cromwell, the most infamous name in all of Ireland, who killed 618,000 Irishmen during the Ireland Civil War of 1650, basically to remove Catholics from Ireland and bring in Quakers and other Protestants.

To make matters worse, Cromwell beheaded the King of England and took over the government (parliament) for ten years. But after Cromwell's death the people restored their king who had been hiding out in Scotland, and his family left fled to Colonial America. Our Massey may indeed be related to King Edward III, if for no other than the close family association over centuries with the Anglo/Saxon Monarchies. Having beheaded a King, they could not later stay welcome in England. I wonder why.

Subject: Re: [RUTLEDGE] DNA Testing Don, Stephen Rutledge was my Dad (Cecil Rutledge's) Great grandfather. Dad is the son of Charlie Rutledge (brother to Tom-Kathye's grandad) Charlie Rutledge was the youngest son of John B. Rutledge who was Stephen's oldest son. Okay. Got that settled. Don, you and I are also connected via Stephen Rutledge and Mary Massey. Which by the way, someone on the Massey list has the Masseys descending from Edward III of England (go figure) I just raised an eyebrow and went on.

Now I want to know how Robert connects in. Anita's brick wall is her Great grandfather David Weldon Rutledge. So there's got to be a connection with Stephen, or one of his brother's somewhere I would think. (Or maybe one of Thomas Rutledge's brothers) I'm not sure how this DNA thing works.

But we know this is a cousin somewhere! Julie Kathye Hyde and I have known for sure we were related since 1998 because we shared a 3gfather Stephen Rutledge and 3gmother Mary Massey Rutledge. It certainly nice to learn of this scientific connection to Robert and Cecil Rutledge. Now my curiosity wants to know how Robert, Cecil and Stephen are connected. Perhaps this can help us determine whether our guys came from Virginia or South Carolina, or from Mars or somewhere else. So welcome cousin (now confirmed) Anita by marriage. Don

From: "Anita Rutledge" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: [RUTLEDGE] DNA Testing My husband Robert took the Rutledge DNA test about 3 or 4 months ago. We had heard nothing, except his results, until last week when we received a letter stating Robert had a PERFECT 12 marker match with Cecil Morgan Rutledge.

You can't get a better report than this. By contacting Cecil's daughter Julie, we also found, we are related to Kathye Hyde and Don Kelly. So all of you out there, who are at a brick wall, like we were, the DNA testing could be your answer. Even tho we will have to do more researching to find exactly where our Rutledges connect, What a wonderful feeling it is to know we have new cousins out there. ~Anita

Ron, in the woods [email protected] Hello Cousin Don Kelly! � DNA just sent us a new cousin. He sent me his info down below. I tried to post an email informing everyone on the Rutledge list but didn't get anything so I must have messed up. Do you have Kathye's email. It seems she changed it, but I apparently did not write it down. Oh well, anyway I am excited about the DNA match. It would seem to prove that Thomas Rutledge and Emmanuel Rutledge were brothers.

Don (Rutledge) explains his connection below. Can you do me a favor and contact Kathye and the list? Or tell me how since I post so seldom it's likely I've forgotten how. Thanks cousin. � Julie Bates Hello Rutledge cousins; I am Donald R. Rutledge. I am kit # 19989 in the Rutledge DNA project, one 0f three in group six. I also had the haplogroup test done. prior to the test I was told that I was probably in Haplogroup Q3. I just got the results of haplogroup test.

When the results were placed on my personal page at FTDNA I was and am listed as being in group Q. I do not know if Cecil or Robert also in my group had the haplogroup done or not. If not, this could change group six from Q3 to Q. I am descended from Emanuel Rutledge , his brothers apparently Thomas, and Lorenzo Dow. My personal e-mail [email protected] I live in Kingsport Tn.

Searches all messages from July 3, 1996 (the beginning of the list) to current postings.

Don,

You are part of my line, too and I sent in my Dad's DNA for you, me and
Kathye. My grandfather and Kathye's dad were brothers. So your line's
Rutledge DNA has been done. Just look on the website for Cecil Rutledge and
there you have it.

I am in the midst of relocating to the Augusta, Georgia area and so haven't
kept up with the list much. Hope to get back in once I can get my files
unpacked.

Take Care,

Julie Bates

(in transition between North Carolina and South Carolina)

From: Don Kelly [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RUTLEDGE] Still here ngi

Sorry I missed you on my last trip through Oklahoma Ron. Next time I won't.

If someone gets a DNA project going through the female line of Rutledges,
then I can participate. Otherwise the last male Rutledge male I know of in
my line died and was buried near Rogers Arkansas about 75 years ago. I
havent found any children for him so that true cousin line is dead. I also
believe that Kathye descended through the female line too so we are in limbo

as far as DNA is concerned. There was a female cousin living in Washington
State a few years ago who had Stephen's Civil War diary, but I don't know if

she was marrried to a Rutledge or had any male children. Seems since she had

the diary she must have been married to a brother of my great grandmother
Chilnesse Matrina Rutledge, so her male children or grandchildren, if she
had them, could be tested.

Don Kelly

I will share anything Dad's DNA test revealed. I will have to look to see if Haplogroup is on it.

Don, if you have Mary Massie's picture, please post it on your site, I have very, very little of family photos and it would mean a lot to me.

I think Stephen's Diary indicates they moved to Giles or Lincoln County, TN. Seems like the 1860 census put them in Giles County, but I'm running off the top of my head. I will try to check today and look for haplogroup too.

-------------- Original message from "Don Kelly" : --------------

Larry, to the DNA section we will add more known facts about DNA tests and
how to read them, as we receive them.

Some of our sections contain whimsical speculations and just plain fun
subjects to draw our cousins closer together, but the DNA database will
contain facts only, as many facts as we can get.

I think a good data set would include the test results of every Rutledge who
has been tested, and should include as a baseline the type of test
administered.

Concerning native blood, from her picture it appears that 3gmother Mary
Massey Rutledge may have been part native American, BUT.....and this is a
big BUT, her father was a Massey and we believe her mother was an Alsop. < BR
Those Massey folk lived in Sequatchie County, Tennessee and the Rutledges
lived across the river in Bledsoe County.

Apparently they moved west during the Civil War, although Stephen's diary is
not clear on that. Stephen mustered in in Bledsoe County. I have not
personally placed them in Hawkins County........but who knows.

We think they may have come from Virginia down the Cumberland Valley into
Bledsoe.
After the war we believe they lived west at Mount Pleasant (county unknown)
before moving on to Missouri.

Don Kelly

Both Massey and Alsop surnames are European, so go speculate.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Rutledge"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:13 PM
Subject: [RUTLEDGE] Re: Haplogrout test
&g t;

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:13:05 -0400, Don Rutledge wrote:

I am Donald R. Rutledge. I am kit # 19989 in the Rutledge DNA project,
one
0f three in group six.

Don,

I noticed your note and looked at your info on Mile's DNA page. Your
ancestors being from Hawkins Co., TN, were there any stories of
Native American or Melungeon heritage in your family?

Did the test rule out Q3 while including Q? If so, then the test for
SY103 was probably negative. That marker is present in about % 57 of
Native American males.

My GGrandfather was a James William Rutledge, born in Stokes Co., TN
in 1833. He moved to TN in 1858, and settled in Overton Co., TN.
I've tried to find a reason for him moving, but no luck to date. I
thought he may have moved to an area where other relatives lived.

My DNA kit is number 368, so we don't seem to have a common ancestor.
I just noticed the name James William.

Larry

- Larry Rutledge
- Houston, TX

----- Original Message -----

From: "Larry Rutledge" <[email protected]

To: <[email protected]

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:41 PM

Subject: [RUTLEDGE] Peter Rutledge Lineage on the Rutledge Surname DNA Project

Hi Group, I'm actually trying to reach Talmadge G. Rutledge of our group and
a DNA member. Seems he's left AOL, and I don't know how to contact him any
other way. So, if you are still out there Talmadge, here's what I have to say:
I am the other Gwinnett Co. Rutledge family: Bryant Spencer Rutledge. I was
researching deeds yesterday in Cobb Co. and came across a 3-2-1847 Deed
between Joseph Rutledge and Alexander W. Rutledge, both of Gwinnett Co. Seems
Joseph sold 40 acres, more or less to Alexander W. Rutledge for the sum of $40 in
the 18th district, second section of Cobb Co. Then, 1-4-1848 A. W. Rutledge
of Gwinnett Co. sold that same 40 acres to James Patillo of Cobb Co for
'unknown dollars'. Also, neither Joseph or Alexander could write, they put their
mark. Some of Bryant's family went to Cobb Co. to live, such as me and mine.
Also, there is a Patillo name connection to my family. Just interesting stuff!

Also, for your brickwall, John Rutledge, b: abt. 1750 SC. I have found a
Cupit Bowan WFT that I have downloaded and use for reference sometimes. There
are errors, for sure, but for the most part it pretty much runs as correct. I
also believe this to be an older version. Yet, what I have found here is that
your line runs to John (#1) Routledge b: abt 1680 in Middletown Bucks, Pa. I
have found, somewhere else, that he's the son of William Rutledge b: abt.
1654 Kirkenlin, Cumberland, England. Now this is not my research, just stuff I
have found out there. It maybe some help to you or not. Just thought I would
share.

Jane in GA