Duncan research files of
1840 Coles Co. IL Census Pg.158 Matthew Duncan 0000,1 - 0000,1 (MAD: Matthew Duncan mar. Rosetta Dickson 6/18/1840) Pg.184 John Duncan 1000,1 - 0001 (MAD: John Duncan mar. Sarah Whitley 6/22/1837)
1850-1860 Coles Co. IL Census
1870 Coles Co. IL Census
Pg.230, #634-617, DUNCAN, William 32 KY insurance agent $2000-$500
Maggie 30 KY keeping house
Georgie (m) 6, Leona (f) 4 IL
William 5/12 IL b.Mar
CLARK, Mary 10 (13?) IN
Pg.239, #758-736, DUNCAN, Morning (f) 52 KY boarding house $5000-$800
Margaret 20 KY at home
Hester 16 KY at home
ORAM, Walter 40 OH map pedlar
Kate 35 OH
Nettie 12, Harary 8 OH
Minnie 1 IL
SAWYER, Horatio 30 OH grain dealer
EDGARTON, William 25 NY faith doctor
(MAD: 1850 Meade Co. KY census, wife of Peter Duncan)
Pg.239, #760-738, WORTHAM, Robert 31 KY farmer $0-$5000
Esther 22 MO keeping house
Marcus (m) 1 IL
DUNCAN, Sarah 45 KY (blank)
Emma 9 MO
Harvey (m) 13 MO
Pg.239, #761-739, DUNCAN, James 27 KY grocer $2000-$2000
Julia 24 KY keeping house
Carrie (f) 6 IL
DUNCAN, Ida (f) 4 IL
Flora 1 IL
RHODES, Roramma (f) 54 NY
Pg.246, #856-830, CHAMPION, William 24 IL farmer $8000-$5000
Nannie 28 IL keeping house
George 3, Mary 2 IL
Martha 5/12 IL b.March
Edward 10 IL
KILMUR, Letitia 18 TN
DUNCAN, Logan (m) 20 KY farm laborer
Tomore? (Tomose?) (m) 15 MO
PULISTER, William 20 ENG teacher parents of foreign birth
(MAD: 1860 Atchison Co. MO census, Logan age 8, Fonrose age 5)
N. Okaw Twp.
Pg.276, #52-48, DUNCAN, David 29 IL farmer $2500-$600
Elizabeth 23 IN keeping house
William 4, James 2 IL
Amelia 1/12 b.July IL - line crossed out
John 26 IL (blank)
Coles Co. IL Probate Book B, 1846-1862 (FHL film 1,306,157)
Will Record 1:
1-125: Last Will of Coleman L. Duncan; probate Aug. 1883, presented 3 Sept. 1883 late of Coles Co., on oath of George Birch and William S. Adams. Coleman L. Duncan died Charleston, Coles Co. IL, at home on 1 Sept. 1883. (MAD: Coleman Lewis Duncan mar. Aseneth Hess(more) 2/11/1830 Jefferson Co. KY; 1850 Clark Co. IL census)
Will: Coleman L. Duncan of City of Charleston, Coles Co. IL; to daughter Ann M. Steele, wife of Dr. A.L. Steele, $600 in consideration of the care, attention and services she has given me in my declining years; sale of W 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec. 21, Twp 12N R14W in Clark Co. IL. Remainder to my children Thomas H. Duncan, Catharine J. VanDyke wife of D.J. VanDyke of Asheron, IL, and Ann M. Steele equally. Appoint daughters Ann M. Steele and Catharine J. Van Dyke and friend George Birch executors. Dated 21 Aug. 1883. Wit. W.E. Adams, D.P. Eivinger?, Geo. Birch.
Coles Co. IL Deeds 1831-1851 (FHL film 1,306,164 index)
E-371: 25 Oct. 1839, Samuel Dannin of Rush Co. IN to Henry T. Duncan of Fayette Co. KY, $600, 320 acres, the N 1/2 Sec. 24, Twp 14N, Range 7E, Coles Co. IL. /s/ Samel. Dannin, Nancy E. Dannin. Wit. Levin Birt, Joseph B. Junkin. Rec. Rush Co. IN 28 Oct. 1839. (FHL film 1,306,116)
G-162: 24 Aug. 1841, Henry Timberlake Duncan and wife Eliza Duncan of Fayette Co. KY to Thomas A. Marshall Jr. of Coles Co. IL, $3,200.60, part paid and part in notes, S 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec. 3, SW 1/4 Sec 3, Lot 1 of NW 1/4 Sec 3, Lot 1 of NE 1/4 Sec 4, E 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec 5, and W 1/2 NE 1/4 Sec. 26, all in Twp. 12N R8E; and 880 acres. Rec. Fayette Co. KY 16 Jan. 1842. (FHL film 1,306,116)
Moultrie Co. IL deeds
S-354: 17 Dec. 1840, Joseph M. Duncan of State of IL, Attorney in fact of James J. Duncan of City of Philadelphia, to John M. Easton of Town of Charleston "in said state" by virtue of Power of Attorney 3 Jan. 1840 acknowledged in Philadelphia, for $150, convey lots in East Nelson, lots 4 & 5 in Block 1 and Lots 1, 2, 7 and 8 in Block 2. /s/ in Coles Co. IL. (FHL film 1,313,222)
S-409: 24 April 1841, James J. Duncan of City of Philadelphia by Joseph M. Duncan of Coles Co. IL, attorney in fact by Power of Attorney rec. book 4, pg.535, to Charles H. Morton of Shelby Co. IL, $110, lots in town of East Wilson, Shelby Co. IL, Lots 2, 7 and 8 in Block 7, and lots 3 and 4 in Block 9, and lot 4 in Block 9, and lot 4 in Block 12. Rec. 24 April 1841. (FHL film 1,313,222; indexed James J. Duncan and Mary S. Duncan)
Pension Index Card File, alphabetical; of the Veterans Administrative Contact and Administration Services, Admin. Operations Services, 1861-1934; Duff to A-J Duncan (negative FHL film 540,888, some cards very faint); Joseph Duncan to Dunn (positive FHL film 540,889, some cards very dark)
Cataloged under Civil War, 1861-1865, pensions, indexes; does not say if Confederate or Federal, but probably Federal. Negative film, some cards much too faint or dark to read, some cards blurred or faded, particularly the service unit and the dates of application. Most of the very faint or dark cards were in a slightly different format, with space for years enlisted and discharged which were sometimes filled in. Many of these were for service in later years, although one or two were for service ca 1866.
Name of soldier, alias, name of dependent widow or minor, service (military unit or units), date of filing, class (invalid or widow or minor or other), Application #, Certificate #, state from which filed (sometimes blank), attorney (sometimes blank, MAD: did not usually copy), remarks. Sometimes the "Invalid" or "Widow" class had an "s" added to it before the application #; occasionally the area for the service information included a circled "S". The minor's name was frequently that of the guardian rather than the minor.
The military unit was frequently the Company Letter, the Regiment Number, sometimes US Vet Vol Inf. (US Veteran Volunteer Infantry), L.A. (Light Artillery), H.A. (Heavy Artillery), US C Inf (US Colored? Infantry), Cav. (Cavalry), Mil. Guards, V.R.C. (?Volunteer Reserve Corps?), etc. Sometimes there were several service units given.
Cards appear to be arranged by the last name, first name, middle initial if any, and state (including "US") of service.
Duncan, James R.; B & K 5 Ill. Inf.; 1914 Dec. 19, Invalid(S) Appl. #1417536, Cert. #A-10-24-30, Mich.; remarks C2352980. (MAD: ? Coles Co. IL)
Duncan, Thomas H., widow Duncan, Ione B.; A 123 Ill. Inf.; 1863 Sept. 4, Invalid Appl. #32087, Cert. #22077; 1926 March 3, Widow Appl. #1242939, Cert. #972170, Wash. (MAD: name as written) (MAD: 1850 Clark Co. IL; 1880 Coles Co. IL; 1900 King Co. WA)
Duncan, William S., widow McDuffie, Margaret, minor McDuffie, Margaret L., Gdn.; Musc. 48 Ill. Inf.; 1888 July 10, Widow Appl. #376010, Cert. #263834, Ill.; 188?6 (MAD: looks like 1856) April 21, Minor Appl. #338073, Cert. #240860, Ill. (MAD: out of alphabetical order, definitely William "S.") (MAD: ? Hardin or Cook Co. IL; perhaps the William whose minors res. Mattoon, Coles Co. IL, 1888)
1879 "The history of Coles County, Illinois : map of Coles County; history of Illinois, history of the northwest; Constitution of the United States, miscellaneous matters, &c. &c." compiled by W.H. Perrin, A.A. Graham and D.M. Blair; pub. by W. LeBaron Jr. (Los Angeles Public Library book R977.31 C69Hi; FHL book 977.372 H2c and films 934,974 item 1 and 873,833 item 1)
Pg.249: Governor Duncan 1860 ...
Pg.393-4: Coleman L. Duncan ... from old Blue Grass State only a few years in Coles Co., lived just over line in Clark since 1830. His son-in-law is Dr. Steele.
Pg.363: Mattoon: April 15, 1861, Mrs. Maggie Duncan ....
Pg.375: Rev. Peter Duncan, Mrs. Manning Duncan, Cumberland Presbyterian Church 1857 summer, in congregation 23 Aug. 1857. Peter employed, died 1860.
Pg.391: W.C.T.U. organized 5 June 1878, Mrs. Maggie Duncan Treasurer, Mattoon.
Pg.519: Jacob K. Decker, born 7 Aug. 1817, Knox Co. IN, married 23 Sept. 1839 Mary A. Morton; seven children ... (5) Ion B. (now Mrs. T.H. Duncan of Oakland, Ill.) ....
Pg.605: A.T. Steele, born Clark Co. IL, 28 June 1844, married 14 May 1872 to Miss Anna M. Duncan of Westfield, Ill., and has three chilren.
Pg.565: East Oakland Township: THOMAS H. DUNCAN; P.O. Oakland; born in Clark Co. IL, April 29, 1844, where he attended school and engaged in farming until August 1, 1862, when he enlisted as private in Co. A (Capt. James B. Hill), of the 123d Regt. I.V.I., and went forward to battle for the Union; he first went to Louisville, KY, then marching South, was engaged in the battle of Prairieville, KY, Oct. 8, 1862, going then to Murfreesboro, TN, where he remained until May, 1863, when, on account of disability, he received his discharge, and, returning home, engaged in farming for a short time; then, after attending the Westfield College one term, he engaged as clerk in the dry goods store of J.M. Miller, at Charleston, IL, which position he held for nearly two years, when, on account of ill health, he returned home, where he remained until the fall of 1868, when he entered the college at Eureka, IL, where, after attending one term, he worked as clerk in the stores of Kirkbride and Marcilleot, at Eureka, during the summer, and in the fall again entered the college, but on account of ill-health was unable to remain but a short time. ... until July 1, 1873, when he purchased a stock of goods and located in Oakland, where he has since continued to live; he was described to the writer as being the tallest man in Oakland, being six feet five and one-half inches in height, and while in the army was known as little Tommy Duncan. His marriage with Ione B. Decker was celebrated Nov. 28, 1872; she was born in Coles Co. IL, March 17, 1851; they have two children by this union, viz., Gertrude Q. and Jacob L. Mrs. Duncan is the daughter of Jacob K. Decker, one of the early pioneers of Charleston, Coles Co. IL.
1887 "Portrait and Biographical Album of Coles Co. IL" pub. by Chapman Bros. (FHL film 825,562; pgs.221-2 and 561 also from Lois Cruitt 5/1994 to the Duncan Surname Assn.)
Pg.221: DR. W.S. DUNCAN, of Hutton Twp., spent his childhood and youth in Greene Co. IN, where he was born Feb. 26, 1825; his grandfather having been Isaiah Duncan, an enterprising Southern farmer who was born, reared and spent his entire life in SC (MAD: Newberry Co. SC per Eli Duncan's 1850 Edgar Co. IL census); he married and became the father of a family, including five sons and two daughters. The sons were Isaiah, George, John, Eli and Joshua. Of these, the father of our subject was next to the youngest. He received a common school education and remained with his father on the farm until reaching manhood. He then migrated North and, locating in Greene Co. IN, was married to Miss Rebecca Stevens in the spring of 1822. Mrs. Duncan was born Feb. 28, 1801, in KY, and was the dau. of William Stevens, who emigrated from the Blue Grass regions to Harrison Co. IN. After marriage, Mr. Duncan rented a tract of land and farmed until the spring of 1835; he then came to Edgar Co., this State, secured possession of 40 acres of timber land, part of which he cleared and occupied until spring of 1853; he then removed with his family to Laclede Co. MO and died there in 1856, leaving a family of seven children. While a resident of IN he and his wife had become members of the Dunkard Church, but after coming to IL united with the Christian Church. The mother survived her husband about 23 years, making her home with her children, and died Dec. 10, 1881. The parental family included the following children: Isaiah who died in infancy; W.S. of our sketch; John who died in infancy; George now a minister of the Christian Church at AR; Joshua; Marion who died when 20 years of age; Obadiah a resident of Piatt Co. IL; Jane; Elizabeth a widow, now residing in Marion Co., and Polly A. who has carried on a millinery establishment in Bement [Piatt Co.], IL, for the last 20 years.
Dr. Duncan was the 2nd child of his parents and received but a common-school education; when 18, he commenced working in a tanyard for 3 years, then enlisted in Co. H, 4th IL Vol. Inf., started on 16 June 1846 by wagon to Springfield, IL, bound for Mexico; after reaching the seat of war, he found that the precarious state of his health would prevent him from continuing in the ranks, and in Dec. received his discharge on account of disability, the result of measels contracted at Matamoras, Mex. Upon returning to Edgar Co., he began teaching school, ... worked on farm, ... in about 1853 began practicing (as doctor) in Coles Co. The marriage of Dr. Duncan and Miss Charlotte W. Elsbury was celebrated at the home of the bride, Dec. 3, 1847; Mrs. Duncan was born March 13, 1826, and is the dau. of John and Charlotte (Winters) Elsbury, natives of IN. Dr. Duncan continued teaching for about 3 years after his marriage, ... located at Strington, ... until 1860, that spring he took up residence at Sidney, Champaign Co. In Jan. 1864 during progress of Civil War, he enlisted in Co. I, 10th IL Vol. Cav., and was appointed Assistant Surgeon, receiving his commission 18 March ... until Oct. 13 following, when he resigned, returned to Sidney, continued practice until 1868. Health compelled him to leave prairie country so he moved to Farmersburg [Sullivan Co.], IN; until Aug. 1884, then returned to Sidney, then to Hutton Twp. in Oct. 1886, where still lives. Mrs. Charlotte Duncan died at Farmersburg, IN, in Oct. 1874; member of Christian Church; bore nine children, recorded as follows: Minerva P. born Oct. 3, 1848, is the wife of John W. Payne, of Evansville, IN; Melissa C. born June 11, 1850, is the wife of Alfred Duncan of Fulton Co. MO; Mary E. born Sept. 12, 1852, died 13 days later; Minnie C. born May 10, 1854, is the wife of Joab Patton of IN; Laura B. born Jan. 14, 1857, died when 18 months old; Josephine F.P. born May 15, 1860, is the wife of Dr. George H. Bogart, of IN; Rebecca D. born July 12, 1863, died Aug. 15 following; her twin brother, William M., died Aug. 5 following. Nora, born July 10, 1865, became the wife of Lester E. Foulke and is a resident of Champaign Co.
The present wife of our subject, whom he married Jan. 5, 1875, was formerly Miss Elizabeth Johns, a native of Boone Co. IN, and born June 29, 1846; she is the dau. of Hardin W. and Charlotte T. Johns, natives of KY; two children: William O. born Sept. 25, 1875, died Sept. 15, 1878; and Blach G. (MAD: sic) born April 16, 1883; the Dr. and Mrs. Duncan members of 7th Day Adventist Church; while resident of IN, Dr. Duncan identified himself with the Sullivan Co. Medical Assn, ... Fairbanks IN Lodge A.F.&A.M., Terre Haute Chap.; Republican.
Pg.228: SAMUEL J. JACKSON, postmaster, merchant and manufacturer of tile and brick at Fuller's Point in North Okaw Twp, is operating not far from the scene of his birthplace, having been born in this township March 7, 1859. The family history of our subject is in its main points as follows: Bernard Jackson, his grandfather, was born near Alexandria, VA, in 1770, and carried on the trades of a cabinet-maker and carpenter in connection with farming for many years. Later in life ... quiet pursuits of a country life. He was married in his native county, and a few years later removed to Stanton, now Ripley, Brown Co. OH; there the wife and mother died Oct. 3, 1814, aged 41 years and 15 days; this was the first death which occurred in the town of Ripley, funeral sermon was preached at the grave by Rev. John Collins who happened to be passing through the neighborhood ... He united with the Methodist Episcopal Church and remained an active member until his death. His remains were laid to rest at Stone Chapel, in West Union Circuit, Adams Co. OH. He has two sons who are engaged in this ministry, namely, Rev. William H? of Indiana and Rev. Andrew B. located in Southeastern Kansas, both members of Conference of Methodist Episcopal Church.
The family of the grandparents included ten children, there being besides those above mentioned, William deceased; Samuel deceased; James a resident of Louisiana; Polly deceased; George, Juliet, Harriet and John, the latter residents of Williamstown, KY. After the death of his first wife, Bernard Jackson married in 1815 to Miss Elizabeth Whistner, born in MD in 1793 whose parents afterward removed to KY. Fifteen years later Mr. and Mrs. Jackson took up their abode on a farm in Ripley Co. OH, where the grandfather spent his last years. His wife Elizabeth subsequently came to this county and made her home with her son, Madison B., until her death. Of this marriage there were born ten children: William, a resident of Indiana, Jerome M., died at Memphis TN, Maria, Andrew B., Wesley, Newton J., Malinda (deceased), Susan J., Milton M. the father of our subject, and Madison B. ... Milton M. born in Adams Co. OH on Jan. 31, 1833, ...he and brother Madison worked together, and in fall of 1855 Milton to North Okaw Twp, this county ...
(MAD: from reference in Linnie Wright Barrett Notebook 17, pg.4, to Samuel J. Jackson. LWB: Juliet Jackson, born Aug. 20, 1807, died Dec. 6, 1895, married June 8, 1825, Bracken Co. KY, to Mason Duncan, b. Jan. 20, 1785; Harriet Jackson married Charles Duncan, Falmouth, KY, they started to CA, he died, and she and children settled in Adams Co. IL. MAD: Charles Duncan mar. Harriet Jackson Aug. 12, 1830 in Harrison Co. KY; Charles & family in Adams Co. IL 1850.)
Pg.561: SAMUEL R. DUNCAN., of Humboldt Twp, born in (MAD: Blount Co.) Tennessee, Nov. 30, 1837, son of Joseph and Susan (Norwood) Duncan of the same State. They were the parents of eleven children, five boys and six girls. Joseph Duncan came to IL in 1844, locating in Crawford Co. where he lived the remainder of his life, died May 6, 1863; date is memorable because, though late in the season, snow fell steadily during the day. Mrs. Duncan still resides in Arcola, as do also her daughters, Mrs. Mary Todd and Mrs. Minerva Ritchey. Joseph and William are residents of Iowa; James of Kansas; John is in Carmi [White Co.], IL; and Mrs. Mattie Burton resides in Danville, IL.
Samuel R. Duncan was reared to farming, ... log cabin common schools in Southern IL 40 years ago. Sept. 6, 1860, he married Miss Margaret, daughter of Jesse and Charity (McMichael) Kellam, at the home of the bride's parents in Richland Co. this state. Rented land for farming for two years, then moved to Crawford Co. for 5 years, then to Arcola, where after 3 years, he rented land in Humbolt Twp for 11 years, then purchased 400 acre farm; in 1881 raised ... Mr. and Mrs. Duncan are the parents of 12 children, named as follows: Joseph; Harper married Miss Elizabeth Grishom and resides in Humboldt Twp; Charles married Miss Fannie Ashbrook and they reside in Kansas; William, Frank, Jennie, Minnie, Alice, Lavin, Nellie, Nettie, and Samuel Jr. Mr. Duncan a Democrat.
"Historical encyclopedia of Illinois and history of Coles Co." by Charles Edward Wilson; ed. by Bateman; pub. Chicago: Munsell Pub. Co., 1906, 959 pgs. (LH4518, HeritageQuest images 4/2007; FHL film 825,561)
Pg.685: Ashmore Township. Early settlers and villages - As in other parts of the county, its early settlers were mainly from Kentucky and other parts of the South. Besides those named in the general county history, as coming prior to 1840, there were several influential citizens who came in soon after that time, including Job W. Brown, Coleman L. Duncan and others.
Pg.689: The Christian Church located at Hitesville was organized about 1835 ... about 1840, erected a building and began to grow. An early Elder was Edward Pinnell, and C.L. Duncan, Aden Wiley and Nicholas Wiley were deacons. Edward Pinnell and Thomas Hess preached at first, and later came P.K. Honn and C.L. Duncan as ministers.
Pg.742: North Okaw Township. In the northern part of the township are the Senteney, the Hobart and the Columbia schools. The first was built in 1862 by private subscription, the money being furnished by Jacob Webb, Allen Campbell and Henry Duncan. ...
"Medicine in Champaign County [Illinois] : a historical sketch" by Charles Beneulyn Johnson; pub. Champaign, Ill.: Times Print, 1901, 31 pgs. (LH10289, HeritageQuest images 4/2007)
Pg.27: Dr. W.S. Duncan was practicing medicine at the beginning of the war and entered the 10th Illinois Cavalry as an assistant surgeon. He served to the close of the war and like many others came home to find the conditions changed, and he soon decided to change his location. He moved to Vigo County, Indiana, where he remained for several years; then he went to southern Illinois, practicing with varying success, until 1889 he again decided to locate in the town of his first love, and moved back to Sidney. He remained two years and then went to Hutton, Coles County, and later to Casey, Ill. He recently retired from practice at the age of 84 years. The doctor was a faithful member of the Masonic and Odd Fellow lodges and of the Grand Army of the Republic. In religious views he was a Seventh Day Adventist. (MAD: sketches do not give wives or children)
1908 "Greater Terre Haute and Vigo County [Indiana] closing the first century's history of city and county : showing the growth of their people, industries, and wealth" Vol.I, by Charles Cochran Oakey, pub. by Lewis Pub. (FHL film 934,922 item 1)
Pg.273-5: James Richard Duncan (sketch prepared by John B. Aikman), was born in Big Springs, Hardin Co. KY, January 7, 1843, and died in Terre Haute, November 10, 1903. His father, Rev. Peter Duncan, being a Methodist minister in a very remote rural district, and of frail health, felt the need of a more favorable environment; abandoned KY home when James was 14 years of age and moved to Mattoon [Coles Co.], IL. His ill health ... James inherited from his parents many of their sturdy traits ... Scotch ancestry to which the name Duncan belongs. First business undertaking a news stand in the depot hotel at Mattoon, IL, known as Essex House. Then engaged in retail grocery business. At this point in his career he was married, August 16, 1863, to Miss Julia Rosana Vreeland, who still survivies him. To them were born three daughters and one son, all of whom are still living, viz, Mrs. Virgil E. Perryman of Atlanta, GA; Miss Ida B. Duncan and Mrs. John B. Aikman of Terre Haute and Charles E. Duncan of Chicago. Paper & Stationery business named J.R. Duncan & Co., and hides & old materials business named Duncan & Kingsolver. In 1889 he took into partnership his son-in-law Mr. John B. Aikman. (MAD: 1850 Meade Co. KY census; MAD: Peter Duncan mar. Mourning Hamm or Horn 1/1/1833 in Madison Co. KY, d. bef. 1891 Mattoon, Coles Co. IL, son of Edward Duncan and Grace Taylor; from "KY Ancestors" ca 1967)
1903 "History of Montgomery County, Kansas" pub. unknown: L.W. Duncan, 1903 (HeritageQuest image 2/2007, Local History Reel/Fiche Number 11798; FHL film 874,479 item 1)
Pg.348-349: THOMAS W. ANDERSON -- Coles county, Illinois, was the native place of Mr. Anderson, and there, December 11th, 1836, he was born. James Duncan Anderson was his father and his mother was Lucinda Threlkeld, both parents being natives of Kentucky. In 1832, they left their native state and settled in Coles county, Illinois, where, in 1844, the father died at 45 years while the mother lived to be 48 years old. Of their four children, Thomas W. is the sole survivor.
Being left without parents at 8 years of age, our subject was reared under the care and guidance of his maternal grandparents. ... The Threlkeld home was his home 'till December 5th, 1855, when he married Elizabeth Helton and the young couple set out to do for themselves.
Mrs. Anderson was born in Tennessee, in 1837, was a daughter of Andrew and Malinda Neal (Black) Helton, of Tennessee, and English birth, respectively. ... (MAD: more not copied; copied because of the Threlkeld name connected to a "James Duncan Anderson")
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